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Originally posted by alexlosy TOTALLY agree with you Anthony. Fabio is one of the most genuine people you will ever meet. In Fabio's words, to the haters, FUCK YOU.

no one here hates him. I promise. :-) And I second you when you're saying a part of the scene is a kindergarten. As far as I remember since 1996, it's always been like that. But that said...

I can name you hundreds of artists who constantly release stuff, who eventually get gigs, who have a life dedicated to music yet they've had it as hard as fabio has, as we all have. They do not care about this dj mag thing, we do not care about superstardom, we want to get recognition for our taste and our skills. No more no less. It's very frustrating not to get where you want, but that's the way of the world for thousands others. Yet, I'd like to understand how one can stop making music out of frustration because of a few morons feodalizing a scene and being selfish. I'm open for a direct discussion with fabio if he could make some time and come explain here. I'm sure he has good reasons too.


Listen, I am not supposed to talk about this. But oh well...

I used to work for someone until recently. I kept working for that person for 2 months while he shut my ftp access, the payments and communication with me all behind my back and without notice. After 2 years and 4 months of loyal work... I got to work for nothing and we got to that point I couldn't even pay the doctors to take care of my back then 3 months old daughter who's apparently suffering from a specific disease (CF but still not sure) she'll never recover from, yet I was still hoping that the guy would get back to me!! That's how people treat you inside the music business today. No mercy, no warnings, no friendship.

Does it mean we have to act that way? surely not. That means we just need to shut up, keep that anger for later, and work work work until we can finally break those morons in pieces. In my case this is exactly what is going to happen. There's only one way up, that's the positive one. The bigger the harm, the stronger the evolution.

That's one simple guy talking here, who's been through so much crap in the last 3 months, you can't imagine, but who lives for one thing, a smile on the face of his 3 ladies, and a prayer for his latest one who's suffering in silence.

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Originally posted by Lolo Listen, I am not supposed to talk about this. But oh well... That's one simple guy talking here, who's been through so much crap in the last 3 months, you can't imagine, but who lives for one thing, a smile on the face of his 3 ladies, and a prayer for his latest one who's suffering in silence.

Well, I'm glad you brought this up. As a father myself, I can't imagine having to go through something like that, but I really admire your positive attitude and I sincerely hope that things work out fine for your daughter, your family, yourself, and your career. I think I speak for every TA when I say that your contributions here are invaluable and it doesn't go unnoticed that someone with your experience, knowledge, and resume' takes the time to post here so frequently and help out others. Stay positive!

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lol its impossible to tell at first glance who is really genuine these days, hell even on multiple glances. the dj scene here seems to be filled with hustlers and thugs. definitely not for me.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler King Crimson - they disbanded as they said the scene had become poisoned and generic!

Didn't they put out like, 30 fucking albums? I think you're allowed to be jaded at that point

i know guys that spent 40 years in the business to have in come down crashing loosing everything in the process, They have a right to complain, This guy is 30, has invested very little and don't get the chip he seems to have on his shoulder. suck it up.

Take say the average investment from a veteran EDM producer, multiply that by 10, and that is about the average commitment most classical musicians have made and most will not go on to make a living. Fabio was actually lucky that standards are as low as they are in the EDM scene.

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Originally posted by meriter Didn't they put out like, 30 fucking albums? I think you're allowed to be jaded at that point

Well Robert Fripp kind of disbanded the group before their 7th album, he reformed the group a few years later. It had something to do with him having an existential crisis around the time.. wouldn't really call that relevant to anything here, but he still makes a good point.

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Originally posted by meriter Didn't they put out like, 30 fucking albums? I think you're allowed to be jaded at that point

30 awful albums. Ya i would be jaded. Hey guys , why are we putting out this prog rock bullshit. Can we just kick it and stop wanking every thing to death.

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Thanks for explaining better, I wish God bless you and your family, not only because you are one of my favorite producers, but because you are a humble and nice guy... you deserve the best... cheers...

@alexlosy

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Originally posted by Lolo no one here hates him. I promise. :-) And I second you when you're saying a part of the scene is a kindergarten. As far as I remember since 1996, it's always been like that. But that said... I can name you hundreds of artists who constantly release stuff, who eventually get gigs, who have a life dedicated to music yet they've had it as hard as fabio has, as we all have. They do not care about this dj mag thing, we do not care about superstardom, we want to get recognition for our taste and our skills. No more no less. It's very frustrating not to get where you want, but that's the way of the world for thousands others. Yet, I'd like to understand how one can stop making music out of frustration because of a few morons feodalizing a scene and being selfish. I'm open for a direct discussion with fabio if he could make some time and come explain here. I'm sure he has good reasons too. Listen, I am not supposed to talk about this. But oh well... I used to work for someone until recently. I kept working for that person for 2 months while he shut my ftp access, the payments and communication with me all behind my back and without notice. After 2 years and 4 months of loyal work... I got to work for nothing and we got to that point I couldn't even pay the doctors to take care of my back then 3 months old daughter who's apparently suffering from a specific disease (CF but still not sure) she'll never recover from, yet I was still hoping that the guy would get back to me!! That's how people treat you inside the music business today. No mercy, no warnings, no friendship. Does it mean we have to act that way? surely not. That means we just need to shut up, keep that anger for later, and work work work until we can finally break those morons in pieces. In my case this is exactly what is going to happen. There's only one way up, that's the positive one. The bigger the harm, the stronger the evolution. That's one simple guy talking here, who's been through so much crap in the last 3 months, you can't imagine, but who lives for one thing, a smile on the face of his 3 ladies, and a prayer for his latest one who's suffering in silence.

Wow dude, this is an excellent post of the highest caliber. The people inside the music industry certainly do treat people like ourselves like shit. That has been my experience as well. I'm sorry for the problems with your daughter. As a father too, I can only imagine what you have been going through. I hope things work out.

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I also didn't know who he was until reading this thread, but I will say anyone who's ever seriously pursued anything creative for a given length of time knows exactly where Fabio is coming from. If you're displeased, then it's probably better you leave it all alone, because there's enough of cynicism in EDM to go around. Ironic considering how happy the outward appearance is.

I remember when I first started listening to EDM, there were people disillusioned with the 'scene' and all they ever talked about was how good it was back in the days of acid house and how everything now-a-days was stale and repetitive and lacked any type of skill.

Meanwhile the whole Bristol sound had just broken wide open and I was listening to dnb, trip hop, breaks, along with IDM, gabber, deep house, trance, and a bunch of other genres. I decided at that moment that I never wanted to be one of "those guys" that felt the need to complain about how horrible everything was, when in reality it's all a matter of perspective.

As for quitting at 30, well, that's just a comment meant to get a response. Maybe someone should tell that to Goa Gil, Frankie Bones, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Grooverider, and quite a feew others that I won't type out. I think that says something about having a passion for music or anything creative.

Anyone who's been in Fabio's shoes also knows there's a difference between a hobby, a paycheck and a passion. If it's a passion then you know it's worth pursuing, both good and bad. Honestly, I hope Fabio finds his true passion, and I'm glad to hear he's happier now.

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Originally posted by Sukhavati I remember when I first started listening to EDM, there were people disillusioned with the 'scene' and all they ever talked about was how good it was back in the days of acid house

Exactly.

Again the documentary I saw on the history of prog rock, revealed many artists that after a few years said the scene was cynical, nasty, over cooked and self indulgent.

There was a common quip that prog rock had descended into a bunch of naval gazers indulging in 30 minute guitar solos.

So just like Fabio today, people back then mirrored his sentiments and this happens all the time in every scene.

Go on a film forum and you will see the same, Disallusioned often embittered folk longing for yesteryear.

Thats not to say people dont get genuinely burned as is the case with Lolo here (wishing you huge luck going forward).

Sorry to keep banging on about psychology, but it is very well documented that people tend to look back in awe and forward with fear. The Canadian author of Future Babble in his foreward describes how his Grandfather having been through 2 world wars and the world depression, said in the 1950's that he feared for the future and felt his own life had been far better than that he expected for his grandson. This is A COMMON sentiment. The past always seems better.


You can find Fabios sentiment writ large when listening to the chatterati banging on about the 'INEVITABLE' DECLINE OF AMERICA GOING FORWARD.
Well do a little study and you will find this sentiment echoed again and again the last 100 years. There were lots of well supported theories written in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's that America was going down the pan and in fatal inexorable decline. It didn't happen.

It probably wont happen (although many of you will find this hard to believe at the moment). But I can pretty much guarantee you America will still be top dog economically in 50 years. China may have more wealth one day soon, but it's spread among 4 times more citizens and in any event they will not be as inventive as the yanks going forward, of this I am certain beyond a doubt.

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