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cryophonik
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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA

quote:
Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
so cryo, do you have an opinion of which ones sound best to you?


Nope, not really. Yeah, they generally all sound different at the same settings, but most of us don't work that way (i.e., just setting arbitrary values calling it good). We use our ears to dial in the sound and, the reality is, I could have gotten most of those compressors to sound similar (a couple already do) if that had been my goal. Also, I don't get too hung up on the differences in sound when it comes to compressors, EQs, limiters, etc., unless it's something like PSP Vintage Warmer that is designed to add some saturation or glue.

The way I work is that I use one compressor for almost all of my work, which in my case is Pro-C because I like its features and its interface. It's pretty neutral sounding, but you can change the color by using different modes (e.g., opto, classic). But, I also love using channel strips, and Waves Ren Channel and the SSL 4000 strips are my go-tos. I really love how aggressive the 4000 gets, particularly on drums, where it just makes them pop like no other (that's probably a good hint as to which one that is!).


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

"lame excuse" I've no clue what your drawner sounds like, neither can i say for the other compressors if the've been slammed extreme. Currently at the airport, but once back home i'll give it a listen and describe what i hear and prefer. stay tuned!


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cryophonik
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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Elk Grove, CA USA

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
I've no clue what your drawner sounds like, neither can i say for the other compressors if the've been slammed extreme.


Then, I'll put your quote here once again:

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
...on more extreme settings all software plugins sound shite...


I have provided a high-quality .wav of 7 compressors that have been slammed to extreme settings - 6 of them are software, and 1 is hardware. By your logic, the one that doesn't "sound shite" is the Drawmer hardware compressor. Now, stop playing stupid and use your golden ears to answer the question. Which one is it?


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mathieu
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Registered: Oct 2010
Location: Montreal, Canada

anyone here a fan of cytomic ''the glue'' my fav plugin evarrrr

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cryophonik
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quote:
Originally posted by mathieu
anyone here a fan of cytomic ''the glue'' my fav plugin evarrrr


Yeah, very nice compressor. I owned it, but sold it recently after buying the Waves SSL 4000 bundle. After A-B'ing the Waves buss compressor with The Glue, the differences were so minimal to my ears, that I couldn't justify owning both buss compressors. I wasn't about to part with the SSL bundle because I like the two channel strips too much. It still wasn't an easy decision to sell The Glue, though.


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Fledz
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Location: London UK

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
nope

some people just lazy, some aren't. I never understood the point of using a preset for an EQ or a compressor. It doesn't make any sense. You use an eq or a compressor because you have a reason for it. So the parameters are already decided before you even add it. So really, i just don't see how anyone would use a preset. UNless as Dave said, they just started producing and are curious,.


There's presets on EQs
I think it's a good thing I never noticed. I just stick a plain one in and then get working.

Presets are great to learn from as you can reverse engineer the sounds to see what they do, but everyone should get to a point where they can build something from scratch. It's more satisfying anyway.


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
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I'll name the one later today. just back home.

quote:
Originally posted by cryophonik
Then, I'll put your quote here once again:



I have provided a high-quality .wav of 7 compressors that have been slammed to extreme settings - 6 of them are software, and 1 is hardware. By your logic, the one that doesn't "sound shite" is the Drawmer hardware compressor. Now, stop playing stupid and use your golden ears to answer the question. Which one is it?


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Just for fun I wanna put my bet on #3 the SSL4000 (soo punchy) and #4 the hardware comp.

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cryophonik
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
I'll name the one later today. just back home.


What's so difficult? It should be night and day - listen to it once and pick the one that doesn't shite (in your mind). Let me guess - you're stalling while you demo as many of these as you can find, aren't you?


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quote:
Originally posted by Julz
Just for fun I wanna put my bet on #3 the SSL4000 (soo punchy) and #4 the hardware comp.


Just for clarification and consistency, I'll number the compressors this way:

Original - 0:02
Comp #1 - 0:23
Comp #2 - 0:45
Comp #3 - 1:06
Comp #4 - 1:27
Comp #5 - 1:49
Comp #6 - 2:10
Comp #7 - 2:32


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
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ok, so listened

1st one is uncompressed you said. there is a clear difference in all files that follow. not making a judgement call now, can you provide me 8 seperate wavs as listening to these in sequence is a total brain wash
I think 2 and 3 are VST regardless, then you continue with less squashed settings, or compressors that do not sound that extreme.

At this stage i'm unable to identify a drawner compressor i've never worked with. I don't know what it should sound like so i have no reference.


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cryophonik
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
ok, so listened

1st one is uncompressed you said. there is a clear difference in all files that follow. not making a judgement call now, can you provide me 8 seperate wavs as listening to these in sequence is a total brain wash
I think 2 and 3 are VST regardless, then you continue with less squashed settings, or compressors that do not sound that extreme.

At this stage i'm unable to identify a drawner compressor i've never worked with. I don't know what it should sound like so i have no reference.


It's the one that doesn't sound shite. You made this ridiculous claim, but clearly can't back it up. No need to provide the 8 individual clips, you already failed. #3 is the Drawmer. As I clearly stated when I posted this clip, all compressors are using the same settings - differences in how extreme they each sound are due to inherent differences in each compressor at those settings.

Original - 0:02
Comp #1 - 0:23 - Waves SSL 4000G
Comp #2 - 0:45 - Waves Ren Channel
Comp #3 - 1:06 - Drawmer DL241
Comp #4 - 1:27 - X1 Pro Channel Track Compressor
Comp #5 - 1:49 - FabFilter Pro-C
Comp #6 - 2:10 - Waves C-1
Comp #7 - 2:32 - Sonitus Compressor

Show a little humility next time - you don't have golden ears.


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