Because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. You don't get to throw events focused around drug fueled dancing marathons without your local neibourhood crime syndicate getting involved. I've been around longer than you, in many cities and many countries and I think your experience is either small in scope or lucky.

I does ultimately depend on which country you are involved with, but crime is a part of most things that are risky, offfer a good way to launder money and provide a level of cachet. Music studios, promoting, porn ....

They just attract this type of crowd. Talk to any dj doing it longer than 5 years on a national level and they will have a fucking novel for you that paints a rather ugly picture.

The ones that are legit, can guarantee that for the most part, their initial capital was crime related.

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Lol. "I've been around longer than you." "I went to Juilliard." "I've composed music for TV shows." "I conducted the NYP."

Give it a fucking rest. Nobody cares.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

I am older. I've been around longer. Simple math. Didn't mean to blow your mind.

I guess I understand how a certain level of achievement might seem surreal to the fucking waffs that inhabit this place. I'm sorry that pisses you off.

Try to put yourself in my shoes. I am around similar if not better people all day so it doesn't really seem like a big deal. I honestly don't know too many people that don't have a least masters or have a degree of success in what they do. My sister is an anesthetist, which for me Is cool but no big deal. My friend from high school finished a phd at MIT a 23 skipping his mastez altogether. Phil laroche. My brother has an MBA, his wife s dad used to have lunch monthly with bill gates.

I think I get what you are saying but try to understand that in my circle, theses things are cool but nobody would find it surreal. I think the issue is that you are perhaps surrounded by a different type of person.

I mean of you told me you didn't have a ba, I would ask you to prove it, to me, not having a master s level is about as unlikely as say what you think of what I've done.

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Fucking shit, this guy.

on a big city being a promoter is not such a deal as you know it's hard a hit and miss if you pick a big name, the venue is going to be packed. On a small city there is the problem that you won't find big venues to fill, then the tickets have to be expensive so potential customers are less likely and this make a spiral that is difficult to overcome.

The key is picking someone who can attract enough people but whose cache is quite low, i think Avicii was an example of this now he must charge a lot but 2-3 years ago when Bromance killed the charts he was just a known guy that probably just wanted high profile gigs to make a name out of it at any cost. What i'd do if i were in his position at that time with some singles creating madness in the charts is playing for a small fee on big festivals it is like an investment.

Another good strategy is the underground parties, you can book an underground guy to play for 2k$ and make a 10$ + drink ticket fee, the average techno head will drink 3 drinks and inhale 3 shots of cocaine that night so you can get the cash safe with just 300 peeps.

About the illegality of promoters... sure the owner of the club where i am resident at has just bought another big one in the city, now he has the 4 most famous clubs in Milan with celebrities walking in every day. You have like 2 kind of vips those who pick a bottle of booze and leave 200€ in cash which does help to pay the bills and this high profile vips like A.C Milan players who are willing to spend 2000€ a night, how you get this people in is not a secret. Drugs on every table, prostitutes etc... the noise regulation here makes clubs to close at 4am. His venues close at 6am with the police coming not so regularly to take a fine and him paying it instantly to keep the venue open, if it closes at 6am is because there is a high demand and considering that on some nights (thursday night for example is when i am in) you can enter for free prior 00:30 and after that is 15€ 1 drink a lot of people can avoid spending big sums because there are free shots everywhere so the drink is just to avoid dehydratation.

The other day a guy died in a riot, club is still open and they didn't close that night (started inside, died outside due to a hit on the head) that makes a strange compound...

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I am older. I've been around longer. Simple math. Didn't mean to blow your mind. I guess I understand how a certain level of achievement might seem surreal to the fucking waffs that inhabit this place. I'm sorry that pisses you off. Try to put yourself in my shoes. I am around similar if not better people all day so it doesn't really seem like a big deal. I honestly don't know too many people that don't have a least masters or have a degree of success in what they do. My sister is an anesthetist, which for me Is cool but no big deal. My friend from high school finished a phd at MIT a 23 skipping his mastez altogether. Phil laroche. My brother has an MBA, his wife s dad used to have lunch monthly with bill gates. I think I get what you are saying but try to understand that in my circle, theses things are cool but nobody would find it surreal. I think the issue is that you are perhaps surrounded by a different type of person. I mean of you told me you didn't have a ba, I would ask you to prove it, to me, not having a master s level is about as unlikely as say what you think of what I've done.

I think you have a PhD in BS

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

Please, it's more likely that he has a BS in BS.

I know numerous promoters - my old housemate was a full-time promoter - on events ranging from small local gigs to superclub line-ups with thousands of attendees. A lot of the smaller promoters are simply interested in putting on events with music they want to hear. There's little or no profit, and money made is reinvested into the next event. I know at least one big-time promoter who spends the entire night in the crowd, beer in hand, dancing and wandering around chatting to everyone.

I think the basic distinction is that some promoters are in the game to put on music they love, and some are out to make money. Obviously there is a balance between the two, but promoters who fall more in the first camp tend to put on the best events. It's so obvious when a night is promoted out of musical love and not financial motivation, and it's usually 1000% more fun.

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yes i would agree.

But the ones that tend to be not the mega festivals where you sort of have to be legit, basically that area from 2000 - 5000 with a budget say 50 000 - 100 000. There is alot to lose, and drug dealers need a way to spend money they can't spend anywhere else.

I shouldn't say all, but it happens alot. I mean i think if you looked back to the major promoters that sort of started things, there was a lot of shady shit going on. Not at first, but when you start getting into that area where you can make some serious coin, not just on the event but selling your wares are your event, i mean it is a drug dealers wet dream.

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That's why I don't like going to mega-festivals or superclubs with massive line-ups. It's not snobbery about the mainstream, it's just those events aren't much fun. They're usually over-sold, over-priced, over-policed by security and the DJs all get one hour each to cram as many ticket-selling names onto the line-up as possible. A well-promoted event, in my opinion, tones all that down to ensure everyone can enjoy the music to the best possible extent. That kind of consideration just can't happen when there's a lot of money on the line.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney My sister is an anesthetist

K hookup!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's why I don't like going to mega-festivals or superclubs with massive line-ups. It's not snobbery about the mainstream, it's just those events aren't much fun. They're usually over-sold, over-priced, over-policed by security and the DJs all get one hour each to cram as many ticket-selling names onto the line-up as possible. A well-promoted event, in my opinion, tones all that down to ensure everyone can enjoy the music to the best possible extent. That kind of consideration just can't happen when there's a lot of money on the line.

I totally agree with this.