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Originally posted by Floorfiller i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

Its called dilution, many thousands of others are doing the same thing. Its hard to find the good stuff out there and those who really deserves recognition and money for its music rarely does. The other part is piracy of course, but thats something you have to accept as a producer i guess.

What did Shadow Hearts make?

Does anyone know what something released on itunes makes?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Deillon And yet VST's and DAW get more expensive

Logic is 200USD in app store. Never been cheaper to be able to make good music.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

most of us (hopefully) do this because its fun, not because we think we can live of it. im never gonna make myself dependant on stupid trends of any kind, get a real job instead, produce for fun.

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Originally posted by Deillon And yet VST's and DAW get more expensive

Supply & demand. There is a lot of demand for software as more and more bedroom producers get into the game, and that's where the bottleneck occurs. The amount of unmarketable music being produced by hobbyists is creating a huge surplus in supply.

But, as clay said, it seems that software is getting cheaper overall, probably due to increased competition in the software world and the fact that the economy is taking so long to recover.

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More people buying software than ever. That's very good news for us because that's at least a huge group of people who just give your products a more attentive ear on streaming sites such as youtube and spotify, because their work is in there. That for the least monetizes your work a little bit if you know your way through the internet. The fact that such people pay just two seconds attention to your work means that they make it more valuable than it was the day before.

Back on topic.

I wouldn't like to share my sales figures, too much income still on past sales (like 6-7 years ago), I get maximum 5k per year all in (royalty shares, remix fees and author rights/publishing), so they're irrelevant to you. Once you remove that past, compared to some of yours, they're simply ridiculous . But who cares after all, it's all about the passion you put into the music. I have like 3 part time jobs in the music industry in order to feed my girls, but the music industry is running through my veins.

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Originally posted by Beatflux What did Shadow Hearts make? Does anyone know what something released on itunes makes?

Major label, average cut is about 9 cents for the artist, edm , same breakdown as on beat port. But if you have a fan base, well there is money to be made. Being released regardless of the label or distribution model you chose doesn't guarantee anything. The simple truth is that most people make music that people just don't care about. The ones that do tend to restrict their sales to beat port which is a death sentence.

The I more money being made, more people making a living doing music than any other time in history. There is also a lot of awful artist that just make music people would not even pirate let alone buy.

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Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen We are closing this company and this years set of accounts by the end of August 2012 which means you MUST submit an invoice using the link below to collect your royalites. You must do this by no later than August 17th. I must again say, second best label i've ever deal with. Best is 5am or Five AM when garreth (emery) and alexis was leading it.

Funnily enough I got an Alter - ego royalty statement last week, with even less profit than yours! It made me laugh to be honest - sure makes you realise how lame a producer you are (me I mean).

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i find these kind of threads really sad. i know you guys are really putting a lot into producing, but just don't get anything back out of it. i'm kind of glad that i've never gotten into production super hardcore, building a huge studio etc.

Do you find it sad that only a tiny minority or actors or authors make money at thier passion?


People expend lots of money on hobbies from painting to fishing, climbing to classic cars.

Nearly everyone on forums is making copycat progressive / electro and whatnot, myself included, so it's hardly surprising only a few producers in the world stand out.



I never get this sad / bitter tonality folk have. Take for example J00F - ok it's niceish music but is it really that original and memorable? To me it sounds worse that Jean Michelle Jarre made in 1975.

Listen to Kraftwerks early stuff around the late 70's. They knew how to make incredible synth sounds and little riffs / arps and so on, but now we all want to make a lame pluck and some lush pads.
I sometimes think we are spoiled with options. Maybe one monosynth is all it takes.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler sure makes you realise how lame a producer you are (me I mean).

I don't think so. You are a really good producer. Just because a track doesn't sell doesn't mean your aren't a good producer.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Nearly everyone on forums is making copycat progressive / electro and whatnot, myself included, so it's hardly surprising only a few producers in the world stand out. I never get this sad / bitter tonality folk have. Take for example J00F - ok it's niceish music but is it really that original and memorable? To me it sounds worse that Jean Michelle Jarre made in 1975. Listen to Kraftwerks early stuff around the late 70's. They knew how to make incredible synth sounds and little riffs / arps and so on, but now we all want to make a lame pluck and some lush pads. I sometimes think we are spoiled with options. Maybe one monosynth is all it takes.

Why not just make the stuff that sounds good to you, rather than copy cat techno?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by clay most of us (hopefully) do this because its fun, not because we think we can live of it. im never gonna make myself dependant on stupid trends of any kind, get a real job instead, produce for fun.

Your absolutely right !
And it also does not make any sense to say your a bad producer if you didn't sell a lot.
Sales is all about promotion ,you get known if they invest in your promotion.
That does not mean the quality is good !

There are terrible singers that release songs why ?
Cos they are willing to spread their legs to get released.
Music has always and will always be a friends politics world.

So PLEASE don't put yourself down cos you don't sell a lot.
If a label like Armada would hype you up then you would sell a lot.
Hits are about promotion not about quality !!!
You can buy yourself a dance smash on the radio
10 years ago that was you paying 3000
And then the radio station played your song 6 times a day as their dance smash.
Listeners hear your song so many times that day then that it keeps hanging in their mind.
And then they go buy it cos they want to have the newest releases.

So the song doesn't even have to be a good one.
As long as the promotion is good it will sell.

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