To defend John:

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Originally posted by stealthman Vernon Wanderer will rediscover his roots back unto wandering vast endless plains miserably....

sounds like the music one would do in 2 hours for a shitty documentary.

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whatever john askew's plan was obviously worked, because my roommate who is an inspiring avicii now knows who he is.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Listen buddy, my bad on the last post, but that has to be John Askew's worst track, Probably some cheap remix. This is proper Askew

It's all complete horseshit. Avicii is lame but John Askew is even worse. Horrible cookie cutter dreck by a hack who desperately wants to be Paul van Dyk but seems deluded into thinking he's something better than he really is.

Nothing worse than a no talent with a chip on his shoulder. John Askew represents everything that's wrong with electronic music in this era and why trance is considered a dirty word among purists.

And you suddenly needed to bump a 2 year old thread about for a twitter feud for what exactly?

I don't think Askew is the greatest producer out there but he's been plugging away for years, and avicii got lucky. He was in the right place at the right time, to allow his brand of dumbed down, music by the numbers make it in to a big thing.

In 5 years time, we will have all forgotten about him, his "fan base" (if you can call a passing interest from the ADD generation suddenly hearing "house" a fan base) and Askew will still probably be plugging away and still have his fans and still be DJ'ing and pulling a crowd.

One interesting related thing; Aloe Blacc, the singer of Avicii's wake me up was on Bill Maher recently talking about how artists get screwed.

He said for all the 160m plays on spotify as the no.1 stream track that year, he will get a whopping: $13,000

That's it. Not even enough for one transatlantic business flight to perform the track.

Last edited by DJ RANN on Mar-28-2015 at 19:32

My thoughts exactly.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN One interesting related thing; Aloe Blacc, the singer of Avicii's wake me up was on Bill Maher recently talking about how artists get screwed. He said for all the 160m plays on spotify as the no.1 stream track that year, he will get a whopping: $13,000 That's it. Not even enough for one transatlantic business flight to perform the track.

Forgive me for not shedding any tears over a guy whining about not getting rich from singing a song. First world problems. Dance music producers and artists should take a long look I the mirror before complaining about money. The entire industry has placed all the emphasis on getting signed to labels and being on the playlists of all the top DJ monkeys, and now the artists wonder why the labels, distributors, and DJs are making all the money?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Forgive me for not shedding any tears over a guy whining about not getting rich from singing a song. First world problems. Dance music producers and artists should take a long look I the mirror before complaining about money. The entire industry has placed all the emphasis on getting signed to labels and being on the playlists of all the top DJ monkeys, and now the artists wonder why the labels, distributors, and DJs are making all the money?

That I get, but what i don't like is that sites like youtube and spotify have basically legitimized a form of piracy that is engineered towards benefitting the large corporate entities in the music industry and not the talent.

Sure you make the bed you lie in (so don't lie in it etc) but the current laws regarding IP and music are atrocious. That was the point Aloe Blacc was trying to make on Maher. UNlike just about any other form of IP, the actual talent that creates or performs has so little say in their property. Take any other industry; Pharma, industrial design, Architecture etc - they all have control over the content they create, but we've allowed ourselves to get screwed in the hunt for money and fame. It's why certain artists don't allow their content on certain sites now.

Taylor swift for exmaple - while I won't cry myself to sleep over the fact she only received $500k from Spotify, it's not OK that her label got $1.5m and spotify makes a fortune themselves just off her alone.

When did our music, talent and efforts become only worth a % of a cent?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN When did our music, talent and efforts become only worth a % of a cent?

Every time we've asked or said "is this good enough for a label?", "will label X sign it?", "which label should I send it to?", "AvB played my song!", etc etc etc. When artists decided that labels and DJs were the measures of success, we gave the control away. Not saying that we could've found a better way, but that seems to be how we've gotten to this state, at least from my perspective.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Every time we've asked or said "is this good enough for a label?", "will label X sign it?", "which label should I send it to?", "AvB played my song!", etc etc etc. When artists decided that labels and DJs were the measures of success, we gave the control away. Not saying that we could've found a better way, but that seems to be how we've gotten to this state, at least from my perspective.

So true. The sad part about it was that you needed a label to have music out there and of course, part of it was vanity; we wanted our music on a label.

The problem came with the idolization of the "Rock Star DJ" (wtf does that even mean?) and the entire imagery of jesus posing Douchbags being something to aspire to. The moment you make your goals hollow, you deserve to receive little substance for your efforts.

There has always been a slightly predadtory aspect to the music industry; musicians often make terrible business people so even from a natural standpoint there have been others there to take advantage.

Look at Elvis and the Col. He's the reason your agent can not be your manager.

But then even recent stories such as Lou Perlman (the creator of the Backstreet Boys and N'Sync) was reaming them (both literally and figuratively) by being the 6th member of the band, while taking a cut as the producer and manager, then using that money for a masssive ponzi scheme that landed him eventually in Federal Prison.

But what boggles my mind is that we accept Spotify and Youtube. They quite literally give away your content for free. I had some friends over other night and I couldn't be fucked to mix anymore so I just started bring tracks up on youtube. I literally found every track we wanted to hear, spanning 4 decades, and I wasn't even logged in. How the fuck is this legal?

Spotify are paying so little it's basically just a token gesture to legitimize giving away copywrited material for free.

but we accept it. For what? Exposure? Consumer access? It should be at the price of our material's worth.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN And you suddenly needed to bump a 2 year old thread about for a twitter feud for what exactly? I don't think Askew is the greatest producer out there but he's been plugging away for years, and avicii got lucky. He was in the right place at the right time, to allow his brand of dumbed down, music by the numbers make it in to a big thing. In 5 years time, we will have all forgotten about him, his "fan base" (if you can call a passing interest from the ADD generation suddenly hearing "house" a fan base) and Askew will still probably be plugging away and still have his fans and still be DJ'ing and pulling a crowd. One interesting related thing; Aloe Blacc, the singer of Avicii's wake me up was on Bill Maher recently talking about how artists get screwed. He said for all the 160m plays on spotify as the no.1 stream track that year, he will get a whopping: $13,000 That's it. Not even enough for one transatlantic business flight to perform the track.

Because it astounds me that someone who produces as talentless and shit music as John Askew could have the nerve to write something like that, especially when it's about as creative and funny as...well, the pathetic music he produces. Only his lame ass music doesn't even attempt to be funny.

He may have been plugging away for years. I first heard him in 2003 and he was shit then, and he's still plugging away the same utter shit.

Avicii is indeed dumbed down music by the numbers but so is John Askew. Like a previous poster wrote, he even collaborated with John O'Callaghan. Need I say any more? If it was someone like Andy Chatterley or Jody Wisternoff I could *maybe* take it but it would still be childish, unfunny and pathetic. But JOHN AKSEW??? JOHN FUCKING ASKEW??? It is so fucking embarrassing it's unreal.

More people in 5 years time will remember Avicii than John Askew. Even if he is continuing his brand of poorly produced sub-PVD dreck, the generation of "fans" he has will most likely have lost interest and moved onto better music.

Basically, if you want to mock someone else you should make sure that you are A) able to produce better quality music and B) actually be creative and funny.