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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

let's put this to bed for once and for all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUd8EH11dBc


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DJ RANN
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
let's put this to bed for once and for all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUd8EH11dBc


How does $40k worth of analogue moogs, played back through shitty youtube flash compression prove anything?

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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

even at shitty 128kbitrate it already sounds better than vsti's ever will


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pointPi
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Actually, there is no real difference sound quality wise. The advantage hardware synths have over software, is the tactility. On a VST, you edit the parameters by clicking with a mouse, dragging with it, in a rather slow and inflexible manner. With hardware synths though, there is much more of a flow going on, moving your hands from one knob to the other.

The real issue is preset dependence.

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quote:
Originally posted by pointPi
Actually, there is no real difference sound quality wise. The advantage hardware synths have over software, is the tactility. On a VST, you edit the parameters by clicking with a mouse, dragging with it, in a rather slow and inflexible manner. With hardware synths though, there is much more of a flow going on, moving your hands from one knob to the other.

The real issue is preset dependence.



lol


edit//

see this is the problem people making post like this

there is a difference sound quality wise TO MUSICIANS, because in a analogue synth the electronics, inside of the box behave like a actually instrument when activated. When a band is on stage the real thing is always going to be better then a software emulation. More often than not people want to recreate that in the studio

this is what software can't recreate because no matter what you do , you are always messing with dialled in numbers there is a limit 0, but to your everyday edm producer the modulation capabilities and wavetables in massive (which is not trying to emulate anything btw and is its own beast) far out number any sort of benefit you can get from pushing a moog to get that saturation goodness..

so all in all what's been regurgitated in this thread already its just different.

Last edited by LoveHate on Oct-27-2014 at 06:06

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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

https://soundcloud.com/steeboo/vavsanalog/s-RmmCe

Take your pick,,, difference is very clear to me,


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One thing I noticed is that not all analog gear sounds warm to my ears. Each synth has dif sound character and once you buy you're either stuck or trade or sell alright and now I'm using all my outboard hardware to max use and for about maybe 5-8% quality difference and I'm talking about Bass Station 2 to Harrison EQ to Analog Delay to Lynx Thunderbolt in mixer. For the most part its def about workflow and tactile control, who knows maybe i'll hear more of a difference when my traps and panels come. My 02 No Pun.

I would love try raphie's setup and have a session going but he lives to far.

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Sell some of your expensive stuffs and you got a round trip to Almere, NL covered no probs. If I'm not mistaken Raphie lives there.


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Reckon or not I'm selling all my audiophile products that i bought because all I wanted was warmth when their def better ways to get it. Anyway which it includes 1,000 IC XLR's. One 600 Thunderbolt cable and EM Cell Conditioner which took more away than let out,

Yeah see I made the most the dumbest decisions here on prod board probably and now i'm trying control my impulse purchases and do research first and ask around.

Yeah I fell into the rabit hole.

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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by Robotrance
analog sucks.

there i said it.
its always something unpredictable with an analog machine destroying the sound of some sort, almost as unpredicable and destructive as humans.

i like perfect math, exact numbers and 100% control. i could never get that with analog. but with digital i know that when the knob says 87 it is fucking 87, not 87 and a half and sometimes 86,9 even without touching it.

this magic that is analog aproximately thinking is of no use to me, same as electronic calculations was 10 years ago at engineering school compared to digital technic and programming.

things must be exact and in systems, mathematicly correct - music too.
and not to mention how much easy it is to back up, edit, copy-pasta. digital hands down wins. and it can too be "warm" whatever hell that is.
you're very disconnected from reality


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Raphie
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quote:
Originally posted by Robotrance
that may be but my conviction gives results.
its not always about right or wrong but stick to your own believes and forget everything else to be able to focus on end results.
If you're happy, that's what it's all about in the end.


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quote:
Originally posted by Robotrance
that may be but my conviction gives results.


What results? Have you ever tried to produce with analog machines?

quote:

its not always about right or wrong but stick to your own believes and forget everything else to be able to focus on end results.


Nobody's talking about right or wrong.

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