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Originally posted by DJ RANN he was already starting to sell out by 1999 and as I said earlier, by 2000 he'd hired ghost producers and started making that big room stadium trance sound that he personified in the 2000's.

So he already sold out in the year of his breakthrough?

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Originally posted by Trance-M So he already sold out in the year of his breakthrough?

It depends on what you consider "selling out" I guess. I mean he was originally doing gabber and jumped ship to trance as soon as it started getting popular.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery It depends on what you consider "selling out" I guess. I mean he was originally doing gabber and jumped ship to trance as soon as it started getting popular.

In the time he made some gabber tracks he also was playing trance. Already back then he was leaning more towards trance. A guy close to him at the time told this at a Dutch forum. Tiesto didn't really play gabber sets according to him despite he made some gabber tracks.
And 10 years before, starting in the 1984, he played disco. If he played gabber I'm sure he played other genres longer before that.
The fact that he made some gabber tracks IMO doesn't mean he was totally into gabber. I don't even think he was well known in the gabber scene.

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Did Ferry sell out, as well? He made some slamming hardcore and acid tracks back in the day, but then he also made some fine 90's-00's trance. I guess one would have to ask him if he "sold out" or simply became passionate about trance.

His Right Of Way album, however, really had a cheesy and commercial tone to it, and if he actually became passionate about such music, it's somewhat disappointing to say the least, for fans of his earlier work. I don't make a fuss about it, but it would be nice hearing his earlier style among the various other stuff I listen to today.

The same can be said about many other producers and djs, including Freddie Fresh, Woody Mcbride, etc. If they're playing/making shitty music just to survive, it's understandable. If they're doing it for money that they don't even need, that is definitely selling out. And in that sense, if Tiesto, Armin, etc. aren't actually fond of the music they're putting out, welp...they sold out, in my eyes. I'm sure they've got more money than just to survive by these days. But then again, who knows...

Any fans of Steve Aoki here?

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Originally posted by Trance-M You're right. He started dj-ing in 1984, three evenings a week. Disco back then. He still knows where he came from, cleaning the toilets after he dj-ed in the club. So before trance he played other genres for over 10 years. His commercial breakthrough was after Innercity at 20th February 1999. Even in Holland Tiesto wasn't very known. He actually was 'discovered' by Lars Holte from Norway which is a nice story. Tiesto made 500 copies of his first Forbidden Paradise compilation with his phone number at the back because nobody wanted to release it. So he started his label with Arny Bink. Then Lars Holte called as he wanted 10,000 copies of the album. He sold all of them in Norway within a month. Tiesto met Lars Holte again after 12 years last month after winning a Dutch award: part is in English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...Q3laqSryfY#t=94 I never blamed him for leaving trance as he just wants to be at the top whatever he thinks that top is. I also never got the impression he isn't liking what he's doing and money is the only drive. Not that I care that much if it was though.

Damn, you can clearly see that Tijs is pretty emotional-sticken when Lars comes in.

Everybody should listen to this in any case:

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You know what the most annoying part of Tiesto was? Every fucking Italian in Montreal claiming Tiesto was Italian.

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The funny thing about this whole "selling out" debate is that there's only a particular profile of artist with the capacity to really "sell out" in a way that's upsetting. If an artist is pretty poppy from the word go and that's their appeal, there's no tears shed if they just go further down that route. And in the other direction, if an artist is pretty underground/niche then they probably don't have a fanbase to cash in on.

If, say, Sandwell District, decided to give up on the gloomy dungeon-techno and make tropical house, none of their original fans are going to loyally follow them because their original fans are all techno trainspotters who'll instantly hate them, and nobody in the tropical house scene will recognise Sandwell District, so they'd have to start at square one again as an unknown artist. So it just doesn't happen.

The only names who can really piss me off by cashing in are those who were fairly accessible to begin and have large enough fanbases to sustain perfectly good careers, but they have the potential to make a lot more money if they just nudge their sound a little bit in that direction and remove some of the things that might make it indigestible to Top 40 radio.

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Originally posted by Chimney Everybody should listen to this in any case:

Off topic: I don't get the hype around that track, Sankt Göran used the sample a few years ago and did it much better.

https://soundcloud.com/sanktgoran/sankt-g-ran-late-nite

I don't know, there's quite a few techno DJs that went from hard-as-balls to straight up house. They never had the cult following Sandwell amassed though.

I guess this leads to another question, did people like Umek and Marco Carola sell out by ditching good techno and only making shitty tech house? I don't think their profile has grown that much over the last 15 years.

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Did every nosebleed techno DJ on Earth sell out when they dropped 20bpm in 2005 and started playing minimal?

Did Jesus sell out when he came back from the dead?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Did Jesus sell out when he came back from the dead?

No, he sold out when he stopped observing the Torah.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred No, he sold out when he stopped observing the Torah.

touche'

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