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Originally posted by Paradox Lost It's also on that distinction that I don't think we can describe this and similar examples as just something that every culture does to every other culture in the 21st century, as it strikes me as a luxury of the privileged to commodify as 'exotic' things they're too insulated amongst other members of their class to have any informed exposure with.

You've more or less repeated what I said, and your example is extremely similar to mine. It's the attitude towards the thing being "appropriated" that's significant. This example is totally different to what Lews linked. Or the accusation I also read a lot, that the current popularity of yoga amongst "photogenic, thin, middle class white people" is a form of cultural appropriation.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid This argument is also still not airtight, Marcus, because nobody called Romney a fascist.

Maybe it wasn't quite as common, but this wasn't unheard of.

Quoting Ryan Lochte, maybe I'm overexaggerating - it's here in Brazil that I've grown sick and tired of hearing centrists being dubbed fascists by the left. Odds are I could be the effect of the very thing I'm warning against, and the word "fascist" here has been used to such an extent I'm now suffering from "denunciation fatigue".

Needless to say, now that there are also talks about a possible Trump coup, my first reaction is to ignore it as the relentless cries that there's been a coup in Brazil (and, mind you, I was against the impeachment of Dilma Rousseff, so it's not like I'm happy with the result).

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Originally posted by wotyzoid And, also, Bill is totally clueless about one thing. He says Romney wouldn't have changed our lives that much but how the fuck does he know? Good at his job ad he is, he still lives in a hollywood bubble, and it seems like he forgets that Trump's policies are what the GOP have been pushing for, for years now. If you bring up the environment for starters, another 4 years of GOP polute and cash in politics, whether it was under Trump or Romney, could, and I think will, have serious, irreparable effects if you ask me. Seriously, who knows what happens now?

I, for one, don't

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Originally posted by Lews Perhaps glib was not the best word, but I think you're being too quick to dismiss. The whole point about the 'crying wolf' story is that the boy was purposefully messing around with the adults and so of course they weren't going to take him seriously when he was being serious; this isn't a like situation - this is adults looking at a blurry shape in the distance that certainly appears to have a lot of fur and to be menacing sheep, and saying that it really looks like its a wolf, and perhaps we should be wary.

It's like I told Woty. Maybe I'm already suffering from "denunciation fatigue" myself. In the time span of a little over a year, I've heard everyone and their mothers being called "fascist", to the centrist president to the dean of my university.

The reason I likened it to be boy crying wolf is because it's been something of a rallying cry here not to mess around, but to garner support. Maybe it's the university bubble I find myself in, so calling someone a "fascist" is an easy way to get people behind you against them.

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Originally posted by Lews I do think we should be careful about labels and words - I find it hilariously ironic and sad that it appears the Conservatives have made Socialism a more attractive option in America, because they used the term to describe Obama for years - but Trump certainly has many fascistic tendencies, so of course people are going to be wary.

And I thoroughly agree with you the wariness is justified

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost I don't think you're missing the point, I'm just suggesting a possibly larger angle from which to approach it. You've emphasized harm, offensiveness, and a type of cultural defensiveness all in light of what we commonly understand as appropriation, and while it's up to you and your sensibilities to determine how to react to the shallow, often irreverent mishandling of cultural/religious features (I doubt anyone's culture is realistically 'threatened' by the garden variety types of appropriation we've been discussing here), it just doesn't strike me as a particularly conscientious way by which to live in both a multi-cultural society and an increasingly globalized world. I couldn't detail specifically what kind of harm this causes, but the superficial attitudes from where this comes and plays into certainly can't help.

Hmmm... Let me have a think. It would be dishonest of me to reply right away

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Originally posted by Lews http://europe.newsweek.com/oberlin-...od-407466?rm=eu

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I got in a fight with some dumb cunt on an event page on FB once, because she condescendingly told everyone not to wear any kind of offensive costume like Native headdress etc. (even though the fucking theme was JUNGLE PARTY), and blathered on about cultural appropriation, blahblah. Fucking rich white entitled assholes telling other privileged assholes to mind their cultural appropriation is beyond fucking annoying. Like bitch, did you just graduate your sociology program? Fuck.

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Originally posted by Lira Maybe it wasn't quite as common, but this wasn't unheard of. Quoting Ryan Lochte, maybe I'm overexaggerating - it's here in Brazil that I've grown sick and tired of hearing centrists being dubbed fascists by the left. Odds are I could be the effect of the very thing I'm warning against, and the word "fascist" here has been used to such an extent I'm now suffering from "denunciation fatigue". Needless to say, now that there are also talks about a possible Trump coup, my first reaction is to ignore it as the relentless cries that there's been a coup in Brazil (and, mind you, I was against the impeachment of Dilma Rousseff, so it's not like I'm happy with the result).

I get what you're saying. I guess I just don't think it's so outlandish to cry wolf now given this whole situation. And I'm glad you were against the Dilma impeachment, I was also, and I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that most of my family was for it. Temer and Cunha are like comic book villains to me.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J "Artisanal". Do I have to say any more?

No, wait, can we keep this one for a while just so foreigners pronounce it "art is anal"?

I know I did, and this will ensure it dies a quick but immaturely hilarious death. Think of all the 12-year-olds who'll benefit from this

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Originally posted by wotyzoid And I'm glad you were against the Dilma impeachment, I was also, and I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that most of my family was for it.

I guess you had to be here... And even then, it's hard to understand what happened.

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Originally posted by Lira No, wait, can we keep this one for a while just so foreigners pronounce it "art is anal"?

I will probably never be able to read, or even hear, the word "artisanal" again, without without thinking of this now.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I will probably never be able to read, or even hear, the word "artisanal" again, without without thinking of this now. I love TA.

Wait... what else could you possibly think?

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Originally posted by Lira No, wait, can we keep this one for a while just so foreigners pronounce it "art is anal"?

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