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Originally posted by pyro264jb That was your time and this is ours. I respect what they did for the scene but, you should also show som respect for what djs do. -Mixing (Fooking hard) -Track selection(there taking us on a journey, bringing us to a point and then destroying they dance floor ) Also, you have to realize that everything cost more now then it did then.

First, I am not that old, so to say "that was your time and this is ours" is stoopid... Last time Pink Floyd toured was in '94, at which point I was 18, so you do the math (unless you're a middle-schooler, in that case I'd have to agree with you).

Second, last time I saw Tiesto (at Nation in DC), he did not take anyone on a journey - he took them through a set of semi-decent tracks geared for technoheadz. Which acually raises another question "Why so many dj's are playing hard trance/techno/house lately?" - but that's another discussion all together.

Third, I have been Mixing, selecting trax, records, etc for many years so I know what it is to DJ. I also produce my own stuff - but I do it for fun. I am sure this could be a beginning of a flame, but anyone with desire, practice, and little creativity can become a highly-regarded DJ. The difference between you and those that made it is that something else was there. People like Tiesto, PvD, Armin - all are famous because they are in the press all the time. Little publicity goes a long way. No question, these are extremely hard working people, good at what they do, good at making connections, have a charisma and smart - but they do spend $hitload of $$$ on publicity and have a PR agent, lawyer, manager, etc, etc, etc... Plus they run their labels which also makes them business-savvy. So, if you take the money you earn, spend it on gear, records, PR, lawyer, adds, some marketing - I'll give you 2-3 years and you'll be famous too... If you don't believe that, then I guess the problem lies in you and that's why you're not Tiesto.

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Superman, don't flatter yourself. You sound like if you had a million dollars, you'd be #1 in DJ Mag. No !

Tiesto got to his position not because he has money, but because he plays music that people like. You think that if Bill Gates would spin at a party, I'm gonna like his music? Hell no. But if some poor Joe from Africa spins stuff that I love - I'm gonna love his music even if Joe eats out of a dumpster.

Tiesto is making money now obviously, but you think he was rich 2-3 years ago? I doubt it. He got to his current position through hard work, and hard work only. You think Tiesto started any differently from you? I highly doubt it.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH First, I am not that old, so to say "that was your time and this is ours" is stoopid... Last time Pink Floyd toured was in '94, at which point I was 18, so you do the math (unless you're a middle-schooler, in that case I'd have to agree with you). Second, last time I saw Tiesto (at Nation in DC), he did not take anyone on a journey - he took them through a set of semi-decent tracks geared for technoheadz. Which acually raises another question "Why so many dj's are playing hard trance/techno/house lately?" - but that's another discussion all together. Third, I have been Mixing, selecting trax, records, etc for many years so I know what it is to DJ. I also produce my own stuff - but I do it for fun. I am sure this could be a beginning of a flame, but anyone with desire, practice, and little creativity can become a highly-regarded DJ. The difference between you and those that made it is that something else was there. People like Tiesto, PvD, Armin - all are famous because they are in the press all the time. Little publicity goes a long way. No question, these are extremely hard working people, good at what they do, good at making connections, have a charisma and smart - but they do spend $hitload of $$$ on publicity and have a PR agent, lawyer, manager, etc, etc, etc... Plus they run their labels which also makes them business-savvy. So, if you take the money you earn, spend it on gear, records, PR, lawyer, adds, some marketing - I'll give you 2-3 years and you'll be famous too... If you don't believe that, then I guess the problem lies in you and that's why you're not Tiesto. "the spoon does not exist" - Matrix

Your examples (Tiesto/PVD/Armin) are ar the forefront of the dance industry. Try choosing some lesser known names from house/trance/techno communities, like Sander Kleinenberg, Chris Liebing, Chris Liberator etc who are well respected in their respective circuits, but aren't looking to push that extra yard because they probably see it as distasteful, or "commercial" as many on TA call it. And then there are DJs like Sasha, who very few people criticise other than those who criticise progressive music in general. Indeed marketting has helped, but the fact is Sasha is far less of an "image" than a simply a great DJ. In the pop world, a good PR man, a fair wod of cash and a stroke of luck can get you very far, but in the dance community, and most communities beside pop, you need skill and creativity. If you get to the top of the dance community purely through clever management and a fat wallet chances are you will soon find yourself on MTV, simply because your clever image goes well with pop, but the dance community find it distasteful. How many ugly popstars reach the top of the charts? Not many. Those that do (like eminem) have acquired a "cool status" of some sort among the masses. So you've got to either be goodlooking or look and act 'cool'. In the dance community there are loads of ugly bastards, look at the likes of Danny Tenaglia and John Digweed, they're just too plain looking to market as a product, but in the dance community they have gained recognition because of their music.

I agree that marketting plays some part, it always will in any industry where you are making money off others' interests in you/your skills. But not nearly as big a part as it does in most other musical communities like rock or pop where it's about the image as much as it is the music.

Hmmm...a bunch of people should get together in front of the entrance to World ans protest. And also, heckle those walking in through the *SECURE ENTRANCE*

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Originally posted by The Rock Hmmm...a bunch of people should get together in front of the entrance to World ans protest. And also, heckle those walking in through the *SECURE ENTRANCE*

*looks at name* Don't you work for the WWE?

Yeah I do, sssshhhhhh. I could get in big trouble, for talking this trash

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Originally posted by Durafei I'm pretty sure Tiesto doesn't even know that admission is going to be 200USD. I'm pretty sure that when DJ signs a contract, he doesn't look at the admission. Can anybody confirm this?

DJs don't have a clue what the admission price is when they sign the contract, because it's none of their damn business... so I am guessing the only figure Tiesto was concerned about was his payout for that night.

And why are you all blaming this on Tiesto? He has nothing (well, except maybe a bit higher cost associated with him) to do with the ticket prices... you should complain to the club and the owner, cuz he is the one that dictates the prices! Get real people, you wouldn't want to milk as many people as you can from as much of their money as possible that night? And what a better bait than Dj Tiesto himself...

Plus, one of the main reasons why I was interested in coming down to New York for NYE was Tiesto, but now that has changed. There are plenty of places I can (and will) check out for much less $$$...

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Originally posted by The Rock Hmmm...a bunch of people should get together in front of the entrance to World ans protest. And also, heckle those walking in through the *SECURE ENTRANCE*

Hahahhaaa!
I know I won't be protesting against anyone on that evening... I'll be someplace else, having fun!

And one more question (it just hit me!) - how big is that club anyway? How many people can it accept?
Because, if it's a smaller club, and if I was the owner, I would definitely raise the prices big time just to keep the club from overfilling... I mean, imagine this scenario, tickets are $40-50, club can only accept 2000 people, and since anyone can afford to pay the ticket price and wants to have some great time for NYE and see the world's top dj too, you have 10,000 people waiting in line to get in! You gotta deal with the excess people then, and there will be plenty of unsatisfied customers in there too.
This way, you charge them $200, and you have just made sure you will not hit the high capacity of the club, and will still cash in just fine...

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Originally posted by fantom Hahahhaaa! I know I won't be protesting against anyone on that evening... I'll be someplace else, having fun! And one more question (it just hit me!) - how big is that club anyway? How many people can it accept? Because, if it's a smaller club, and if I was the owner, I would definitely raise the prices big time just to keep the club from overfilling... I mean, imagine this scenario, tickets are $40-50, club can only accept 2000 people, and since anyone can afford to pay the ticket price and wants to have some great time for NYE and see the world's top dj too, you have 10,000 people waiting in line to get in! You gotta deal with the excess people then, and there will be plenty of unsatisfied customers in there too. This way, you charge them $200, and you have just made sure you will not hit the high capacity of the club, and will still cash in just fine...

it is a smaller club....and i agree with you

however.,.,.,i am dissappointed in Tiesto still because HIS name is on that ticket..and it being on the ticket shows in a weird way that it is ok with him.....

If that ticket read "i hate Americans" or "I hate blacks"...i GUARANTEE you Tiesto would not put his name on it....but i guess for Tiesto it is ok for the ticket to read "$200" or in so many words "fuck the majority of my fans"...

think about it

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Originally posted by tiesto14 it is a smaller club....and i agree with you however.,.,.,i am dissappointed in Tiesto still because HIS name is on that ticket..and it being on the ticket shows in a weird way that it is ok with him..... If that ticket read "i hate Americans" or "I hate blacks"...i GUARANTEE you Tiesto would not put his name on it....but i guess for Tiesto it is ok for the ticket to read "$200" or in so many words "fuck the majority of my fans"... think about it

I didn't know that Tiesto has to approve of the tickets before they are sold.

Tiesto14...man, you're really pissed off about this aren't you? I guess I would be too, but Tiesto was just in NY wasn't he....at the ROXY?

I don't think Tiesto is a sellout....if he was then ALL his gigs would be outrageous prices. I'm seeing him in Toronto in three weeks for $25 Canadian. That would be like 17 US dollars or something. And Tiesto's name is on THAT ticket.

I'm not jumping to his defence...I mean I love the guy but nobody's perfect. It's not fair, but if this is the only time it happens....well....shitty but let's just forget about it.

What I WOULD be worried about is if this starts happening a lot...you know....promoters thinking they can cash in on Tiesto's #1 Dj status. Well, in that case...Tiesto would be obligated to do something about it.

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