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Originally posted by Cyrus King HArdcore.... nice meeting you at MArco V on Saturday. Anyway.. with respect to the Mujahadin, I beleive they are not as bad as you make them out to be. They are not religious fanatics and infact want equality between all ages, sexes, religions and races there along with the freedom of speech and expression. They outline for a democratic Iran is to me very western, something that the mid east lacks yet in Iran is very much craved. Although they may take extreme measures to go about ridding those pieces of shit in power, I am all for it. The Mujahadin's major beleif is that RELIGION should not govern a nation but a people should. I still have to read up on this group, but from what many iranians have told me... their leader Maryam... is a courageous woman. That if there is an Iranian revolution....the MUjahadin should come in power as they are the most democratic and realistic.

heey wazup Cyrus!!

I personally dont want the Mujahadin in Iran,I think they are terrorist IMO,do yuo know how many times they bombed Tehran??
based on what I've heard from people around and my parents they'll do no good to Iran.But I need to do more research on this group and see what they area really up to!!
also from what I heard is that even people in Iran dont want anything to do with them,I personally think they should stay out too, I mean look they've been out of Iran since who knows how long,and now they want to be on power regradless of the people in Iran think of them.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer heey wazup Cyrus!! I personally dont want the Mujahadin in Iran,I think they are terrorist IMO,do yuo know how many times they bombed Tehran?? based on what I've heard from people around and my parents they'll do no good to Iran.But I need to do more research on this group and see what they area really up to!! also from what I heard is that even people in Iran dont want anything to do with them,I personally think they should stay out too, I mean look they've been out of Iran since who knows how long,and now they want to be on power regradless of the people in Iran think of them.

I know that they have terrorized and even ended up killing the Mullah's, but they do not kill innocent civilians...only those people in power that have been accused of murdering many people.

And the reason why there are hardly any Mujahadin supporters in Iran is becuase they were either killed, forced out or escaped Iran when these religious rulers began to enforce inequality amongst the population. Many of the supporters of Mujahdin excaped to Europe and America. You can even see now how loyal some of these supporters are when looking at the recent circumstances in France and Germany where fellow supporters set themselves on fire in protest of Maryam's arrest.

But like you.... i still have to do more research on this group.... the last thing we need is another bunch of people telling us lies and then making life very annoying in Iran for another 20 years.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King But like you.... i still have to do more research on this group.... the last thing we need is another bunch of people telling us lies and then making life very annoying in Iran for another 20 years.

Yes thats exactly what I dont want to see happen,thats why the popel inside Iran should decide their own faith not some outsiders that havent been to Iran for 30 yrs.
I dont know if you know that or not but American gov cosiders the Mujahadin as a terrorist network,but that could be bullshit,they just dont want to show the world that they support terrorism,but I think they are working with them behind the scene,since theya re the only active group against the Iranian regime.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Yes thats exactly what I dont want to see happen,thats why the popel inside Iran should decide their own faith not some outsiders that havent been to Iran for 30 yrs. I dont know if you know that or not but American gov cosiders the Mujahadin as a terrorist network,but that could be bullshit,they just dont want to show the world that they support terrorism,but I think they are working with them behind the scene,since theya re the only active group against the Iranian regime.

The US government views all Arab groups with weapons as terrorists, let's not get started with that. But, remember what happened the last time the US negotiated with Iranian terrorists? They don't want that, obviously, to happen again.
It comes as no suprise to me that Pahlavi's son would be the one to start a revolution, considering which family he's from and who his dad was.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 The US government views all Arab groups with weapons as terrorists, let's not get started with that. But, remember what happened the last time the US negotiated with Iranian terrorists? They don't want that, obviously, to happen again. It comes as no suprise to me that Pahlavi's son would be the one to start a revolution, considering which family he's from and who his dad was.

yes I remember what happend,they created the Islamic Republic Of Iran!!
and now they dont want them anymore,so they are pushing for another revolution.
About the new regime I say it again,the new governemnt should be selcted in Iran and from the people who live there,and apperantly Pahlavi's son is now part og Mojahadin,so I dont know what effect that could have in the future!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yes I remember what happend,they created the Islamic Republic Of Iran!! and now they dont want them anymore,so they are pushing for another revolution. About the new regime I say it again,the new governemnt should be selcted in Iran and from the people who live there,and apperantly Pahlavi's son is now part og Mojahadin,so I dont know what effect that could have in the future!!

Well, just because Pahlavi's son is part of the Mujahadin doesn't necessarily mean that Iran will be governed my extremists. He might be just using the Mujahidin as a vehicle to start the revolution.

And the other conflict I was referring to was the Iran/Contra affair.

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I posted this same argument on a different forum. The US is the biggest terrorist of all. I got there to school and i know first hand what people in the US are like. The majority of the world hates the US, not the people, they are just puppets, have no idea whats going on, because they create all the problems in the world. And lets stop talking about 9/11...3000 people die in the states and its hell on earth. The US has killed millions over the last 50 years and nobody gives a shit. They get what the deserve. Its unfortunate for the people that suffered and i feel for them, but what you do to others you will get back ten fold.....

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Originally posted by che I posted this same argument on a different forum. The US is the biggest terrorist of all. I got there to school and i know first hand what people in the US are like. The majority of the world hates the US, not the people, they are just puppets, have no idea whats going on, because they create all the problems in the world. And lets stop talking about 9/11...3000 people die in the states and its hell on earth. The US has killed millions over the last 50 years and nobody gives a shit. They get what the deserve. Its unfortunate for the people that suffered and i feel for them, but what you do to others you will get back ten fold.....

The reason for all the talks about 9/11 is because so many people died in one day in one attack. Also, it was the first time that America was directly attacked on its own soil by terrorism. Sure, there have been embassies bombed by terrorists and other such acts, but this occurred in the heart of the U.S. in NYC. As for your analysis of the American people as "puppets", how can that be possible if you claim we cause all the problems in the world? I'm sure that we are the root cause of terrorism and terrorist organizations. I bet the U.S. gave Hamas their weapons.

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Originally posted by Galapidate I bet the U.S. gave Hamas their weapons.

NO, everyone knows Israel gave 'em to Hamas! at least that what electronicintifada.com once claimed. Idiots!

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Hamas and Hezbollah have traditionally been funded by Iran mainly I believe. Oddly enough they both have done a great deal of humanitarianism in Lebanon and such, creating schools, and hosptials.


Should Iran be conventionally attacked by the U.S I think there would be a great deal of civilian casualties. During the first gulf war, the Iraqi military was crushed out in the middle of the desert, and the U.S was able to destroy what was left of the military in the second gulf war simply becuase there was very little of the miltary left. Although Iran's military is very much focused in and around Tehran and other cities as well as around the borders. The casualties would be countless. Simple looking at this with a media and world opinion perspective the entire world would be outraged by this. There is no chance that the U.S could justify a conventional war with Iran especially now that they still have not found any WMD in Iraq. It'll never happen, though i'm sure covert operations are occuring in Iran as we speak.

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