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Originally posted by RebeL9 i cant believe it. there is so much bullshit on this forum. so much false talking. I returned from Afghanistan 3 weeks ago after spending a month there. I also spent a month there last summer. I can tell you that the situation since last year have become even worse. the americans are doing very little for afghanistan when it comes to AID. Most NGO's are from Europa such as Red Cross etc. The only time you see any american in the capital Kabul is when you see heavily armed american soldiers looking scared like fuck in their jeeps. I even saw an american woman enter a souvenire shop with 5 heavily armed soldiers. They are so scared that they even sleep with their guns. the ISAF force (international security assistance force) which is in Kabul right now is administrated by Germany, Turkey and UK. USA is in no way a part of this peace keeping force. Turkey is building 3 major roads linking the three largest city Kabul, Kandahar and Herat. USA isn't involved in any roadbuilding projects. Not even any mine clearing projects (most mine clearers are from Denmark, Norway and Sweden). If you thought USA is participating in rebuilding Afghanistan you are all wrong. USA is only involved in military campaings in Afghanistan. They dont have any intention to rebuild the country. Its not in their interest. Thanx for me.

OMG you have no clue. we helped afghanistan to become the number one producer of opium poppies once again, LOL just kidding but try telling that to people here in the states, and theyll tell you afghanistan is better than ever now that the US has helped. for god sakes people here still think that iraq has wdms (and some even believed they were used during the early days of the war LOL)

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Originally posted by RebeL9

I can't really comment on your personal experiences in Afghanistan but in the spirit of eliminating false speaking I would like to make 2 corrections to your post :

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the americans are doing very little for afghanistan when it comes to AID. Most NGO's are from Europa such as Red Cross etc ... USA isn't involved in any roadbuilding projects

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3105653.stm

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Not even any mine clearing projects (most mine clearers are from Denmark, Norway and Sweden).

http://www.state.gov/t/pm/rls/fs/2002/12274.htm

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the ISAF force (international security assistance force) which is in Kabul right now is administrated by Germany, Turkey and UK. USA is in no way a part of this peace keeping force.

http://www.afnorth.nato.int/ISAF/index.htm

Edit: err three corrections

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Last edited by occrider on Aug-21-2003 at 20:12

LIE LIES ALL OF THEM.. good thing we have occider to catch them

I am not impressed at all. Why not?
Because I've read of those kind of US Aid for afghanistan hundreds of times during the last two years. But you see very little of them in reality in Afghanistan.
There is one thing to say something but something completely different when you really act.
And imo USA has done very little to help Afghanistan's reconstruction.
And now when NATO takes over the role as ISAF doesnt mean that USA goes in for an active role. Most NATO soldiers in afghanistan which will be a part of ISAF are european soldiers.

You go there yourself and you will see very little action from the americans. They love their guns and gives a damn about the people.

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Originally posted by Yoepus LIE LIES ALL OF THEM.. good thing we have occider to catch them

hey mr jew. you call all my statements lies?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 hey mr jew.

this was dumb and immature. make sure it doesn't happen again

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I am not impressed at all. Why not? Because I've read of those kind of US Aid for afghanistan hundreds of times during the last two years. But you see very little of them in reality in Afghanistan. There is one thing to say something but something completely different when you really act. And imo USA has done very little to help Afghanistan's reconstruction. And now when NATO takes over the role as ISAF doesnt mean that USA goes in for an active role. Most NATO soldiers in afghanistan which will be a part of ISAF are european soldiers. You go there yourself and you will see very little action from the americans. They love their guns and gives a damn about the people.

Are you a part of Mr. Kharzai's government? Do you work for USAID? Do you know how the aid fund was disbursed? Do you know what money goes where, what roads are being built with US funds, where the money is going for reconstruction efforts? Perhaps you are an investigative journalist and have uncovered a massive deficit in USAID being used in Afghanistan? Perhaps you have uncovered paperwork outlining disbursement errors and the money was accidentally sent to Sarajevo? Or perhaps you are simply well travelled and you have a photographic memory? Did you visit every single city in Afghanistan, conducted interviews with numerous citizens to uncover the sad truth that nothing has been done? If that's the case then a lot of people in Europe would be dissappointed as well since the entire world has contributed quite a sum of money to accomplish nothing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1664314.stm

Or perhaps you have a keen eye and is able to tell what bridge or road is built by what country ... maybe every bridge built from German funds has a small german flag painted on it, or perhaps a school funded by british funds has a union jack emblazed on its front. Conspicuously absent are all the red, white, and blues? I suppose that's how you were able to come to the conclusion that no US aid is coming into afghanistan? If so, that is extremely distressing. Congress sets specific budgets that outline where funds are going and USAID is audited by the General Accounting Office.

http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/ane/af/#ads

Nobody has noticed that all these funds have disappeared?

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Originally posted by occrider Are you a part of Mr. Kharzai's government? Do you work for USAID? Do you know how the aid fund was disbursed? Do you know what money goes where, what roads are being built with US funds, where the money is going for reconstruction efforts? Perhaps you are an investigative journalist and have uncovered a massive deficit in USAID being used in Afghanistan? Perhaps you have uncovered paperwork outlining disbursement errors and the money was accidentally sent to Sarajevo? Or perhaps you are simply well travelled and you have a photographic memory? Did you visit every single city in Afghanistan, conducted interviews with numerous citizens to uncover the sad truth that nothing has been done? If that's the case then a lot of people in Europe would be dissappointed as well since the entire world has contributed quite a sum of money to accomplish nothing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1664314.stm Or perhaps you have a keen eye and is able to tell what bridge or road is built by what country ... maybe every bridge built from German funds has a small german flag painted on it, or perhaps a school funded by british funds has a union jack emblazed on its front. Conspicuously absent are all the red, white, and blues? I suppose that's how you were able to come to the conclusion that no US aid is coming into afghanistan? If so, that is extremely distressing. Congress sets specific budgets that outline where funds are going and USAID is audited by the General Accounting Office. http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/ane/af/#ads Nobody has noticed that all these funds have disappeared?

first of all. i actually know people which work close to Karzai. but that's another story
and i've travelled alot in afghanistan also during taliban time.
all i can say is what i've seen with my own eyes and heard other witnesses tell me. and from that information I know that USA isn't doing as much as they could do for reconstruction of afghanistan.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 first of all. i actually know people which work close to Karzai. but that's another story and i've travelled alot in afghanistan also during taliban time. all i can say is what i've seen with my own eyes and heard other witnesses tell me. and from that information I know that USA isn't doing as much as they could do for reconstruction of afghanistan.

Perhaps you were simply not exposed to the areas that the aid was spent in? Much like the budget justification summary stated, most aid was directed towards emergency food and assistance programs, the agriculture sector, the education sector, and the health care sector. As such not so much of the funds were directed towards the rebuilding of the open infrastructure such as roads, utility lines, buildings, etc. Hell I'm not saying that I know how the money is being spent or where it is being spent, but just because you don't directly see its effects doesn't mean that it's not helping some cause. But you could be right, do your contacts with Karzai mention anything about how the funds are being disbursed?

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Well, I know for a fact that the Afghan president was kind of mad because Bush was not helping them with enough AID and stuff... though that happened during the conflict with Iraq ( well, its still a conflict but w/e) .. so I dont know.. thats all I know.

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