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Originally posted by fantom Well, this fact might look very surprising to some of you, but the fact that the richest people in US are Jews willing to spend more money on the motherland than on home (US) should clear up some things here... Even if it means taking $$$ from poor little bastards in US and sending that money over to Israel so they can get more weapons and get a few more nuclear bombs.

Where do your statistics come from? I just spent 20 minutes scouring the US census beaureau and I couldn't find anyything that differentiates based upon religion.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 I am pretty sure to remember that Germany has dished out cash for Israel at times, but i may be wrong.

Germany is not 'dishing out' any money to Israel out of goodwill. They are paying for repercusions of the goods stolen from Jews in Nazi Germany! Get you facts straight!

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Originally posted by drizzt81 Nonetheless, I don't see the moeny being well spent. There seems to be little/ no effort on the Israeli side to SOLVE the conflict in a non-military way.

Why dont you think the money is well spent?
On the accusation of little effort to make peace from Israel's side, i ask you how long have you been following this situation in the Middle East? 5 Israeli Prime Minister's have had the position of making peace with Arafat, none have been successful in their efforts. Perhaps you should look into the events that finally made the Israeli's deem Arafat and the PA irrelevent in the path towards peace!

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Originally posted by drizzt81 Of course, the Palestinians aren't doing anything in that direction either.

But rather they actively work against any proposals for peace.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 the only little trouble he has with that, is that he needs to be able to label israeli's as terrorists, which he cannot, so he needs to take a side, hence he will rather kill a couple of muslims (who don't count as real people anyhow, now do they?) and see that his Israelis are victorious.

This paragraph was just plain stupid!

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Originally posted by drizzt81 ...Probably not, since you seem to be completely in love with the hardliner course that the Israeli gov't has been running on the Arab issue.

Yes I am very happy with the new approach the Israeli's have taken on the problem of homicide bombers AKA radical Muslim terrorists! It's the only defensive position that seems to be working!

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Originally posted by drizzt81 I am not well informed enough to make a good point here, but from the bits and pieces I have acquired over the past couple of years, I don't think that either side (Israel/ Palestinians) are the 'good' guys. They both are as bad as the other one, which is probably why they hate each other so much.

Those bits and pieces must have been pretty messed up if you could find a equivalency between what the Israeli's are doing to combat terrorism, and what the Arab's are trying to achieve through they're campaign of terror; the cold blooded murder of innocent men, women, and children. How do you figure they are just as equally in the wrong?

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Originally posted by drizzt81 have they thrown yours? probably not otherwise you'd not be posting. So why that question?

Yes they did.
A part of me is with every single one of those Jew's who we're so brutally sent to they're deaths. And for this very reason is why I’m posting; to make sure peoples misconceptions and hate doesn't bring countries to the point of another genocide.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 A jewish person yelled at my non-jewish roommate, who was buying kosher grape juice: She asked "Are you jewish" him "no" she "well, u know that grape juice is made for jews" *he puts teh juice back* *she seems happier*

A German yelled at my Jewish grandfather, who was praying in his home in Germany; the year 1937:
The Nazi said (in German): You dirty pig
*my grandfather tried to put his book of prayer away and remained silent*
*the Nazi slammed the butt of his gun against my Grandfathers face*
The Nazi yelled: Squeal like a pig dirty yid
*the Nazi preceded to shot my grandfather in the head*
*he seemed happier*

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Originally posted by drizzt81 wow, Mr. Tolerance is speaking. Let's say that OUR god is better than THEIR god.. goo crusades, time for a road trip.

Never, ever claimed the g-d of my people to be "better" than anyone else's. It seems as though those on the other side are the one's claiming that. Say that anyone who doesn't believe in Allah is an infidel and should be killed. But of course misconceptions got you to place the label of crusaders on Israel, the States, and anyone who believes in a free, democratic world.

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Originally posted by occrider Out of those list of Jews there may be 4 people that have ANY kind of significant INDIRECT influence on foreign policy.

i dont really believe that jews have infiltrated the government to influence policy but just FYI, it was paul wolfowitz (dont think he was on that list) who originally authored the doctrine of preemptive action that has apparently been adopted by the current administration.

they had a really interesting episode today on PBS' Frontline show...originally the document appeared during Bush Snr.'s time...towards the end of his tenure, actually...but it freaked a number of ppl. out even inside the defense establishment, and they believed they needed to have a public debate abt it...and thats how it came to the public's attention

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! Now Israel can buy more tanks and missles to kill children with, not to mention bulldozers to destroy more palestinian homes.

They get more money to protect Israel from these children who have been brainwashed and trained to kill. Suggest you check out www.opsick.com
They dont destroy "palestinian" homes; they destroy to homes of known terrorists. But hey, you'd probably reward them wouldn't you, because "thats the right thing to do".

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Originally posted by tranceaholic mike mike mike...i was wondering where ur posts are over the topic afterall it has israel's name over it..i didnt read your whole post..well except the one u say i am not educated and stuff and the part about how u should get paid for not annhilating our asses..well concerning my education..i graduated highschool with a 4.0 GPA, i am a computer science senior in the university of california and i own a private lil import buisness..so i dont think that classifies me as uneducated..i tend to type a lil fast and not to proofread my posts as i dont think we are in school here. now concerning egypt..i know how much u hate us egyptians more than other arabs country,maybe cause u failed to take our lands who knows..All i know is we have our lands and u dont so i am happy with that..now i have a request can u flame me and my origin cause i am so intimidated by u and israel. ..its people like you who give israel a bad name..

What makes me feel that you’re not properly educated are the misconceptions you spew out onto this board over and again.
First, on a side-note, I don’t hate Egyptians more than any other Arab country. I'm sure you all know who takes that spot - although they aren’t even a country. I actually regard the Arabs in Egypt at a much better level than some of they're other Arab counterparts.
Now the misconceptions start when you claim that we "failed to take your land". If I remember correctly we took over all of Egypt's Sinai dessert in 1967. So in reality we actually were victorious in defeating your army and taking over land last in the war.
We gave it back through peace talks that have brought our government closer together, and towards peace treaty.
I don’t wish to flame your origin, I have no beef with the people of Egypt. You got your punishment already for some stupidities done in the past.
Its people like you who give Israel a bad name. Don’t get it twisted; I’m here representing Israel because I know it has done its best trying to deal with terrorists. You don’t try and negotiate with these kinds of people, you punish them for they're crimes against humanity!

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Originally posted by occrider I don't say it often, but that kind of thinking is just plain racist.

Its about time someone besides me called it!
But no, its the majority opinion on this board so its "okay".

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Originally posted by fantom Well, this fact might look very surprising to some of you, but the fact that the richest people in US are Jews willing to spend more money on the motherland than on home (US) should clear up some things here... Even if it means taking $$$ from poor little bastards in US and sending that money over to Israel so they can get more weapons and get a few more nuclear bombs.

Where do you get this shit from? Some of you have been posting accusations straight off conspiracy websites floating across the net. It's plain bullshit. It's hate. It's anti-semitism. It's racist.

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Originally posted by melech_mike They get more money to protect Israel from these children who have been brainwashed and trained to kill. Suggest you check out www.opsick.com They dont destroy "palestinian" homes; they destroy to homes of known terrorists. But hey, you'd probably reward them wouldn't you, because "thats the right thing to do". What makes me feel that you’re not properly educated are the misconceptions you spew out onto this board over and again. First, on a side-note, I don’t hate Egyptians more than any other Arab country. I'm sure you all know who takes that spot - although they aren’t even a country. I actually regard the Arabs in Egypt at a much better level than some of they're other Arab counterparts. Now the misconceptions start when you claim that we "failed to take your land". If I remember correctly we took over all of Egypt's Sinai dessert in 1967. So in reality we actually were victorious in defeating your army and taking over land last in the war. We gave it back through peace talks that have brought our government closer together, and towards peace treaty. I don’t wish to flame your origin, I have no beef with the people of Egypt. You got your punishment already for some stupidities done in the past.

welli wont deny that we got our ass wooped big time in 1967..no denying that but come on bro..if it wasnt for our attacks of 6th october 1973..there wouldnt have been any peace talks what so ever..we are the only arab country that stood up for israel..u gotta give us credit for that..and can u remind me what did u want from egypt in the first place..i can understand u say with palestine thats ur land too and stuff..but what did u have to do with Egypt in the first place.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic welli wont deny that we got our ass wooped big time in 1967..no denying that but come on bro..if it wasnt for our attacks of 6th october 1973..there wouldnt have been any peace talks what so ever..we are the only arab country that stood up for israel..u gotta give us credit for that..and can u remind me what did u want from egypt in the first place..i can understand u say with palestine thats ur land too and stuff..but what did u have to do with Egypt in the first place.

Why dont you explain to me what played out on October 6th, '73. I'd love to hear some more twisted misconceptions from you about Israel and Egypt.

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Originally posted by occrider Btw if you're just responding to Izzy's challenge to find 10 jews in the government then I take back my gripe

ya, hehe...
otherwise true that the only ones there with any influence or power are Brad Blakeman, Paul Wolfowitz (i though he wasnt working in this administration), Dov Zakheim, Elliott Abrams (he has a cool sounding job, i'd like to have) and maybe the ambassadors...

i laughed at this one: Adam Goldman - White House Liaison to the Jewish Community.... it would kinda help out his position if he were jewish.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Why dont you explain to me what played out on October 6th, '73. I'd love to hear some more twisted misconceptions from you about Israel and Egypt.

dont change the subject and answer my question first.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic welli wont deny that we got our ass wooped big time in 1967..no denying that but come on bro..if it wasnt for our attacks of 6th october 1973..there wouldnt have been any peace talks what so ever..we are the only arab country that stood up for israel..u gotta give us credit for that..and can u remind me what did u want from egypt in the first place..i can understand u say with palestine thats ur land too and stuff..but what did u have to do with Egypt in the first place.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic dont change the subject and answer my question first.

Let me first understand what you think happend in 1973. i can than properly answer any questions regarding that event for you.

Trust me i will NOT change the subject.

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alright dude in october 6th 1973,anwar el sadat seazed the oppertunity of the israeli people having a holiday and ordered an attack on the israeli forces..the attack was successful as it took the israeli people down..the troop succeeded in hittin the barlif line and bringing down the sand wall. The attack was a success..the isreali forces did gather their forces together and faught back..but fearing the outcome of a long bloody war the us did call both sides for peace and treaty and we as long as the israeli people agreed and infact i think el sadat was the only leader to have the guts to go to isreal himself and he was nicely greated from israel and peace was on its way.. IF it wasnt for the attck of 73 i dont think peace would have ever came right?...now u answer my question..what do u want of a land that is not urs.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic alright dude in october 6th 1973,anwar el sadat seazed the oppertunity of the israeli people having a holiday and ordered an attack on the israeli forces..the attack was successful as it took the israeli people down..the troop succeeded in hittin the barlif line and bringing down the sand wall.

Brought the Israeli people down?? Yes many Israeli's did die due to the initiation of war from Egypt and Syria. Israel was caught off guard, and was not ready to counter-strike right away due to the religious holiday on which this war started. Yom Kippur is the holiest day for Jew's, and striking them on this day was an immoral move on the part of the Arab nations.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic The attack was a success..the isreali forces did gather their forces together and faught back..

A success? hardly! Israel mobilized they're troops and came back at the Arab nations that vowed war against her with full vengeance. Before Israel even got into the war they had lost 2000 people. When Israel finally counter attacked, they had devoured the armies of both Egypt and Syria. A total of 8500 casualties were inflicted upon the two Arab nations. Israel lost a total of 6000 by the end of the war.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic but fearing the outcome of a long bloody war the us did call both sides for peace and treaty and we as long as the israeli people agreed and infact i think el sadat was the only leader to have the guts to go to isreal himself and he was nicely greated from israel and peace was on its way..

Thank g-d Egyptian Prime Minister Sadat realized the horrid mistake he made, and open himself and his country up for peace talks with Israel. A very brave move on his part in a time when anti-Israel sentiment was very prominent. I commend him from taking this step towards peace.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic IF it wasnt for the attck of 73 i dont think peace would have ever came right?

Wrong. Why would you possibly think that peace talks were only open after the strike against Israel on the parts of Egypt and Syria?
Israel, since its creation in '48, was always open to peace talks with its Arab neighbours.
It took Egypt that war to realize even though they catch Israel off guard, out number them 3 fold in military man power and equipment, they will still never defeat them. Sadat's mentality changed from that of destroying Israel, to living peacefully with them. If you can’t beat them, join them. Peace could have come earlier if only Egypt had wanted peace sooner. Once again, thank g-d Egypt at least made peace when they did.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic ...now u answer my question..what do u want of a land that is not urs.

Who said anything about Israel wanting that land? We took it over because your armies attacked up and lost. It’s your own fault. You can't cry about loosing land if you come attack ours, expecting to gain land, and in turn you lose your own land. Its part of war; you lost fair and square.
Out of Israel's intense willingness to make peace with Egypt, they decided that the land they gained (although a strong military strategic asset for Israel) was not worth conflict with its Neighbours. Israel doesn’t care to get the Sinai; we just took it as territorial gain in war.

Since you won’t believe any of my sources, I choose a British source.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/...000/2514317.stm

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