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Originally posted by occrider This post actually makes me sick. No joke ... it's a lack of respect like this that infuriates me. I expected better of you John to not stoop to that level of disrespect.

Makes you sick? good. i'm sorry but it's the truth, and if you can't stomach it, then stop coming here, and just leave CNN and fox on all day.

Respect for bush and his Regime? Sorry, no, they have not earned it. Not after the way the handled s11, not after the subsequent bombing of afghanistan, not after the completely unprovoked and unneccesary attack of iraq.

and certainly not after i have spent the last hour reading all about Richard Perle and the PNAC.

The Bush regime not only does not get my respect, but it brings the bile to the back of my throat. Therefore, i will say it again:

When the regime of saddam hussein falls, the people of iraq dance in the streets. if the regime of george bush were to fall, people would dance the whole world over.

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i still do not see the justification for the was..war started because of the threat of the chemical weapons and how they might be used against others...first uptil now know evidence however people will jump on my back ohhh but they are there and will be found..however u r innocent til proven guilty..if he was going down i think he would have used em...what has he got to lose...also this war showed how hyped sadam was..he couldnt defend his country let along attack others...fuck we got tougher gangs in LA that would put up a tougher fight..so this has been a bullshit war..some will say oh but we got rid of sadam..however that is not a reason to go to war...i am dying to know the real reasons for the was...now iraq is free yey...as days go by greed is increasing..everyone now has a gun to protect himself and thier property..the country is in caos right now..and with time the iraqis will hate the day the forces entered iraq..how caqn u put a goverment without the consultabce of the people..u cannot force a goverment on them...iraq was a mess with sadam and now a bigger mess without em...havent read a single post or article that would help me change my mind.

uh.. you usually make a lot more sense that that trancaholic, i'm guessing you are drunk?

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sorry about that...just came home from a night out..yeah my post sucks hehehehehe

lol, it's all good mate, i don't blame you. try to stick to the humour forum though, it's a lot more fun when you are pissed

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Originally posted by rupert That was exactly why Israel invaded Lebanon. The PLO were launching attacks on Israel from Lebanese territory. The Israelis wanted to smash the PLO in Lebanon, which they did.

you're right, its called self defense.

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The Israelis also wanted to smash the Syrians who at the time had the most control over Lebanon. Which they also did. To that effect the Israeli government provided military and political support to the Christian faction of the Lebanese (the Phalange) with the intent of getting them into government and then obtaining a peace treaty in favour of Israel.

ahhhh, so israel wanted a government who would seek peace with it. damn those pasifists hippies in israel
there is a big difference between supporting a govenment who would be on peaceful terms with you and a government who is your puppet. yes isreal wanted to put in govenment a party that would be more favourable to coencide peacefully with its neighbours, no israel did not want to set up a puppet government, one which israel could slap around into doing everything it wanted.

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If that wasnt why the Israelis invaded Lebanon then you tell me why they did it then.

you're right about the intentions just next time you post watch for the rhetoric.

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Originally posted by rupert and it will keep its control of Lebanon until Israel hands back the Golan Heights to Syria.

Syria should've never sieged Israel from the Golan Heights in the first place. The loser looses his land.

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Syria should've never sieged Israel from the Golan Heights in the first place. The loser looses his land.

That categorically is'nt what happened in the 1967 war.

But your attitude sums up the attitude of most Israelis quite nicely.

Syria will get the Golan Heights back and there will be an independant Palestinian state based on land stolen from them no matter how much Israel and America oppose it.

I once read an article about the late President Assad who on his deathbed told his son "Never make peace with Israel" I dont know whether that story is true but it wouldnt suprise me.

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Originally posted by rupert That categorically is'nt what happened in the 1967 war.

actually it is.

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I once read an article about the late President Assad who on his deathbed told his son "Never make peace with Israel" I dont know whether that story is true but it wouldnt suprise me.

wouldnt surprise me.
is peace too much to ask for?

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Originally posted by rupert That categorically is'nt what happened in the 1967 war.

Well, it is according to un-bias history.

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But your attitude sums up the attitude of most Israelis quite nicely. Syria will get the Golan Heights back and there will be an independant Palestinian state based on land stolen from them no matter how much Israel and America oppose it.

I'm Jewish and I speak on behalf of Israel b/c ppl like you don't know history. That land, along with some of the West Bank, is used as a buffer zone so Israel can have more of a fighting chance to stop terrorism.

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I once read an article about the late President Assad who on his deathbed told his son "Never make peace with Israel" I dont know whether that story is true but it wouldnt suprise me.

Why don't you quote random Palestinians and I bet they'll say the same thing. A huge majority of Palestinians believe that all of Israel belongs to them despite the UN's Resolution 181.