here we go again.

I guess im classified as agnostic

I dont understand some things in religious such as "tongues"? or "speaking to god", or convulsing from the touch of a priest.

I guess if you really passionately beleive in something then you believe in it, possibly even ignoring signs that is it not the truth.

This about Schizophrenics (sp), they are delusional and have hallucinations of grandeur or conspriacies, but are these thing really true? Yes in the mind of the beholder they have created their own world, but in reality their world is far from the truth.

Relgion bothers me and i dont want it but i have no problem with people who have a religion.

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Originally posted by goodnet ATHIEST ALLIANCE We believe in NOTHING.

there is a rather essential flaw in that statement my good fellow

believing in nothing would not make you an athiest, rather it makes you a nilihist (sp?)

-tim

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i think its nilhist, but i'm too lazy to look on dictionary.com, but you are right.

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I dont understand some things in religious such as "tongues"? or "speaking to god", or convulsing from the touch of a priest.

I'm not quite sure what causes speaking in tongues. My dad used to be pentecostal, so he experienced a lot of that. I believe that it is a conditioned response. Operate conditioning can get people to some quite strange things. I don't really know how speaking in tongues got started, but i think that because (at least at my dads old church) people are really pushed to being "close to god," and part of that almost required that one speaks in tongues sometime in his service to the church. I dunno... maybe i should ask him.

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Originally posted by ta_wilson there is a rather essential flaw in that statement my good fellow believing in nothing would not make you an athiest, rather it makes you a nilihist (sp?) -tim

LOL i didn't notice this b4

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lol ok, i got pissed and looked it up:
nihilist

Philosophy.
An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence.
A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief.
The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.
also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.
Psychiatry. A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one's mind, body, or self does not exist.

good times.

I dont really believe or not believe in gods. I just dont really care

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my main point is dont act like you personally have the answer. However many thousands or billions of years you think the earth has been a round people have been trying to figure out the question of Gods existence. Its cool if you dont believe, it happens, its cool if you belive, it happens. Im just getting annoyed by stuff like 'that proves the non existence of God'. well, stop the presses, someone from tranceaddict.com just figure it out lol. As long as you guys are admitting this is a debate just for fun and neither one of you is going to prove anything thats fine.

oh and to the people who say who are you ... ehm... feck off?

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Originally posted by ta_wilson there is a rather essential flaw in that statement my good fellow believing in nothing would not make you an athiest, rather it makes you a nilihist (sp?) -tim

You are right (in the literal sense)

My "statement" just pokes a little fun @ religious fundamentalists who commonly take an offensive stance on the Athiest world view.

My humour isnt working here i better go back to standup comedy...

One total atheist here.

You need to believe in yourself, your family and your friends - Thats all. They are things you can see and touch - THAT ARE ACTUALLY THERE.

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Originally posted by Nadi Agnostic: A. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

iam that but more towards the Atheist part