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Originally posted by Enervate i defend tiesto, hes entertaining, and he brings a lot of interesting things to the table, i just dont think hes picasso net development (gain/loss, sorry nonbiz majors) i believe tiesto has indeed lost some of the quality that we have come to expect from him, however, nyana seems to be one step in the right direction, and i also feel that when tiesto dropped in ability, the entire trance scene had taken a hit, and just as it rejuvenates now, i think that he does as well. i cant wait to see the responses i get to this one.

here the first resposnse:

I totally agree

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Originally posted by YaleTrance Yeah so he has problems with beatmatching, but that's not what mixing is all about.

i seriously suggest you read what you have wrote in that sentance.

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Originally posted by Enervate i defend tiesto, hes entertaining, and he brings a lot of interesting things to the table, i just dont think hes picasso net development (gain/loss, sorry nonbiz majors) i believe tiesto has indeed lost some of the quality that we have come to expect from him, however, nyana seems to be one step in the right direction, and i also feel that when tiesto dropped in ability, the entire trance scene had taken a hit, and just as it rejuvenates now, i think that he does as well. i cant wait to see the responses i get to this one.

We are kind of at the same level, I agree with you at many points.
The fact that you just didn't like my comparison with Picasso is not that relevant in this forum. But feel that I wanne explain myself anyway. The comparison was at fist ment to say that no one is perfect, all great artists do make misstakes. That Tiesto did lose his touch for a while it's normal I think, that he once in a while make a misstake in the Dj'both, it's human. That not everybody like he's production... so what.
The reason I even involved in this discussion is that he don't deserve all the shit some ppl in here throw at him, especially as the most ppl sounds as they don't know what they are talking about. And that there are threads like this one over and over again is just plain stupidity.. why

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Just home from Dance Valley!!
Tiesto spun last at the main, fantastic!!!
Nothing like it in the world, hope you see footage some day...
"give tiesto no respect" get some brains!
To even suggest is plain dumb.

i envy you! i would love to see tiesto at dance valley!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I just have a couple things to say. 1. For the most part, everyone who is defending Tiesto is a newbie, Tiesto after DD 02.02.02 has gone WAY down hill. 2. How is Tiesto a "pioneer" like so many people have said?.....i LOVE Tiesto, started in 1996-97...but i do not see Tiesto as a pioneer...unless of course your talking about his venture to bring trance to the commercial for the massess market..then yes he IS a pioneer.....Oakey IS and will always be THE trance pioneer...he may blow NOW but he is THE trance pioneer.

1. After 5 years of admiring Tiesto as my favorite dj and seeing him live over 12 times, call me a newbie all you want, but the last two times I saw him this year were the most amazing trance experiences ever- Tiesto in Concert and In Search of Sunrise @ PR July 2003.

2. He is a pioneer of Dutch trance, which differs from what Oakey pioneered. Sure, Oakey was more important for edm history. But certainly not for the kind of sound I like.

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Originally posted by Ste i seriously suggest you read what you have wrote in that sentance.

I seriously suggest you read my whole post, where i explain why mixing is not JUST about beatmatching.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance 1. After 5 years of admiring Tiesto as my favorite dj and seeing him live over 12 times, call me a newbie all you want, but the last two times I saw him this year were the most amazing trance experiences ever- Tiesto in Concert and In Search of Sunrise @ PR July 2003. 2. He is a pioneer of Dutch trance, which differs from what Oakey pioneered. Sure, Oakey was more important for edm history. But certainly not for the kind of sound I like. I seriously suggest you read my whole post, where i explain why mixing is not JUST about beatmatching.

Oakey inspired Tiesto's early sound....try AGAIN!

Tiesto a pioneer?...HOW?

I never said anythign about beatmatching.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Oakey inspired Tiesto's early sound....try AGAIN! Tiesto a pioneer?...HOW? I never said anythign about beatmatching.

Oakey might have inspired everyone, true, but Tiesto was without a doubt one of the pioneers of the epic melodic DUTCH kind of trance that I'm talking about, which differs GREATLY from the broad mixing style of Oakey ten years ago. Tiesto is a pioneer of the style that predominates nowadays: the formula, the sound, the structure became something of a movement thanks to the exposure that he and Arny gave it with Black Hole and their compilations from the mid-nineties such as the early Forbidden Paradises and then with the early Magiks and the founding of Black Hole. That was very influential and had a huge impact in how euro trance was conceived, it led Oakey to state around 99 that he hated most of the music coming out of the Netherlands, with a few exceptions like Tiesto.

Oakey is Fluoro, Tiesto is FP3. You have to admit that these compilations show how they were so different back in the day, even if Oakey obviously inspired Tijs, but Tiesto pioneered and experimented with his own sound.


Oh, the beatmatching comment was for Ste, not you

i dont see the arguement here really Oakenfold is better in all possible ways for a Dj/Prudocer

oakenfold is the first Dj to ever play at a main stage at a big Festival
oakenfold is the first DJ who supported a major rock band

and like oakenfold said "its not about being the first its just about simply doing it in the best way"

oakenfold has left a legecy of prefection even now his dance department sets fuckin ROX!

and besides you can compare tiesto"s best set with ONE of Oakenfold best sets and i think oakenfold will make tiesto look like an amutare

ahh i ithink i figured out your point

skill = (mainstream)^2

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Originally posted by Viber i dont see the arguement here really Oakenfold is better in all possible ways for a Dj/Prudocer oakenfold is the first Dj to ever play at a main stage at a big Festival oakenfold is the first DJ who supported a major rock band and like oakenfold said "its not about being the first its just about simply doing it in the best way" oakenfold has left a legecy of prefection even now his dance department sets fuckin ROX! and besides you can compare tiesto"s best set with ONE of Oakenfold best sets and i think oakenfold will make tiesto look like an amutare

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Originally posted by Enervate ahh i ithink i figured out your point skill = (mainstream)^2

oakenfold is mainstream??!! WTF?????!!

tiesto is a lot more mainstream and a lot more famous
im saying that oakenfold is better based on the sets ive heard from him and the less good sets from tiesto nothing else
oakenfold got better mixing skills you cant argue with that!