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Originally posted by Unknown DJ it was Mono - Rise (Smith & Pledger Remix) i only just started mixing harmonicly and my ears arnt used to it. so maybe thats y. mixmeister is kinda shit for this i guess. makes me wonder how many more of the records ive already keyed are wrong.

Mono (Airbase, Jezper Söderlund or whatever else he calls himself)- Rise does indeed go in Am. The theory would suggest that they wouldn't go that well together but the reason why it works here is because Mono-Rise is a much slower record in order to play it with Cern at around 2% you need to play mono at about 6% which is a difference of 4% (yup my maths is amazing...) which pushes Mono closer to the A#m range than the Am. So you are actually mixing a D#m (2a) into a A#m) (3a).

Nothing wrong with your ears though.. this actually works pretty well so just keep it at it.

Simple rule is usually if you have more than a 3% difference with tracks it will sound real bad. Over 4% and you are actually closer to the next note up so you may have to treat the record differently and think about perhaps mixing it with some different records.

Cheers
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Just keyed 39 more, with just under half of my vinyls left to key. Lots of majors this time. Here they are...

132 / F# (2B) 5 Below 0 - Club Quake (Oliver Klein Hard Mix)
139 / G#m (1A) Darude - Music (#2 Mix)
137 / C#m (12A) Darude - Music (Bostik Remix)
137 / C#m (12A) Darude - Music (Original Version)
135 / Bm (10A) DJ Remy - Pumped Up (Original Mix)
137 / Em (9A) DT8 feat. Roxanne Wilde - Destination (Instrumental)
134 / Am (8A) Ferry Corsten - Punk (Vocal Extended Mix)
136 / B (1B) Gouryella - Walhalla
136 / B (1B) Gouryella - Walhalla (Armin van Buuren's Rising Star Mix)
133 / Am (8A) Humate - Love Stimulation (Paul van Dyk Love-Club Mix)
137 / Gm (6A) Kansai - Rococco (Fire & Ice Remix)
137 / Gm (6A) Kansai - Rococco (Neo & Farina Remix)
136 / Fm (4A) Matt Darey's Mash Up feat. Marcella Woods - Beautiful (Original Mix)
134 / Cm (5A) Motorcraft - When Time Will Come (DJ Tiesto Remix)
129 / Cm (5A) Motorcraft - When Time Will Come (Oliver Klein's Time To Cum Remix)
133 / A# (6B) Oliver Klein - Circuit City
133 / A# (6B) Oliver Klein feat. Tom Hingley - Shakedown
136 / C#m (12A) Oliver Lieb pres. Smoked - Metropolis (Eric Prydz Munich NRG Mix)
136 / F#m (11A) P.O.S - Amnesiac
137 / Gm (6A) P.O.S - Remember (Summer Sun)
135 / Am (8A) Paul van Dyk - Another Way (Club Mix)
141 / C (8B) Paul van Dyk - Avenue
134 / B (1B) Paul van Dyk - We Are Alive (Vandit Club Dub)
134 / B (1B) Paul van Dyk - We Are Alive (Vandit Club Mix)
134 / B (1B) Paul van Dyk - We Are Alive (Vandit Vocal Mix)
137 / D#m (2A) Push - Universal Nation (Ferry Corsten Remix)
139 / D#m (2A) Push - Universal Nation (Push Remix)
135 / Am (8A) Revolution 9 - The Weapon (Grinder Remix)
132 / G#m (1A) Rhythm Gangsta - The Crowd Song (Original Extended Mix)
134 / C (8B) Solar Stone - 7 Cities (V-One's 'Living Cities' Mix)
136 / Fm (4A) Sonorous - Glass Garden (Ronski Speed Mix)
129 / D#m (2A) Spacefunk - Evilback
127 / F#m (11A) Spacejunk - Spacejunk (Original Mix)
137 / Fm (4A) Sun Decade - I'm Alone (Ronski Speed Mix)
138 / Dm (7A) Sunscreem - Please Save Me (Push Mix)
135 / A# (6B) System F - Dance Valley Theme 2001
134 / Dm (7A) The Conductor and The Cowboy - Feeling This Way (Solarstone Remix)
134 / Cm (5A) Tiësto & Junkie XL - Obsession (Original Full Length Mix)
139 / Am (8A) Viframa - Cristalle

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Originally posted by brian 137 / A (11B) Matti Laamanen - Flakes (Original Mix)

I find this to be F#m (I know these 2 keys contain the same notes but the root note of flakes is definitely F#)

Also I mix Green Atlas - Circulation as D Major, though I have found D Major misses C from the second phrase of the main melody while D minor misses F# from the first phrase. Also I find that in general for this track DM has only one out of key note while Dm has two. E minor contains all the relevant notes I believe though for some reason I prefer to mix it as DM (*shrugs*).

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Last edited by venomdx on Apr-21-2004 at 06:51

I just wanted to let you guys know what a fab job you are all doing. Especially Nem who made me aware of harmonic mixing. I was doing it all along, but the whole trial and error thing is kind of annoying at times.

I've keyed most of my records based on a combination of my ear and mixmeister and just recently brians results have confirmed that I did a pretty good job on getting the correct key. (We have quite a lot of similiar records)

On the ones that I had a lot of trouble on, it turns out (thx to Brian) that they are actually major keys which is why I was having trouble finding them b/c I was always looking for the minor keys, but luckily I still got the key right.

Also I have found that if you are not sure about the key but feel you are pretty close, just mix it quickly into tracks that you know you have keyed correctly and see how it mixes, if its perfect, chances are you are right. If it mixes good (but the energy has changed, maybe up or down) perhaps you are just 1 number of on the camelot scale, so maybe move from say 1A (if this is what u think it is originally) and try it as a 2A and see if that works. Then try it with a 3A and see if it still sounds nice mixing with that track. Therefore it mixes with a 1A and a 3A but sounds best mixing with 2A tracks, so it must be a 2A.

Thats just the method I've been using and it works for me.

Keep it up guys,
Kev

Last edited by DjBigKev on Apr-29-2004 at 06:44

yeah, thanks for all the effort Nem, and brian, and everyone else.

I think i am gonna key up my records, they are all the much sharper weapons when you know how to use them!

Big ups on the database, i can't wait to check those out. Guess I should get mixmeister, and mixshare, and check out the database too.

I got a guitar here as well, haven't really touched it since i got my decks, but i think it is time to break it out, i can play barre and power chords, but those are major i think..

time to study up.

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Originally posted by Briden yeah, thanks for all the effort Nem, and brian, and everyone else. I think i am gonna key up my records, they are all the much sharper weapons when you know how to use them! Big ups on the database, i can't wait to check those out. Guess I should get mixmeister, and mixshare, and check out the database too. I got a guitar here as well, haven't really touched it since i got my decks, but i think it is time to break it out, i can play barre and power chords, but those are major i think.. time to study up.

Barre chords are all you need. Should work out fine.

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Originally posted by Briden yeah, thanks for all the effort Nem, and brian, and everyone else. I think i am gonna key up my records, they are all the much sharper weapons when you know how to use them! Big ups on the database, i can't wait to check those out. Guess I should get mixmeister, and mixshare, and check out the database too. I got a guitar here as well, haven't really touched it since i got my decks, but i think it is time to break it out, i can play barre and power chords, but those are major i think.. time to study up.

The major and minor scales are the same set of notes. If you don't know the pattern for this scale it is:

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If you start the 1 on G, this is the G major scale. It is also the E minor scale. You can transpose this pattern up the neck to play along in any key. So first find the main note the song/bassline seems to revolve around, lets say it is E, if the song is in E minor you will be able to play along using this pattern, but starting 3 notes higher (G).

Some people might find it easier to just play the minor chords but if you've ever improvised on guitar I think you could find the key in just a few seconds to most songs.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Mono (Airbase, Jezper Söderlund or whatever else he calls himself)- Rise does indeed go in Am. The theory would suggest that they wouldn't go that well together but the reason why it works here is because Mono-Rise is a much slower record in order to play it with Cern at around 2% you need to play mono at about 6% which is a difference of 4% (yup my maths is amazing...) which pushes Mono closer to the A#m range than the Am. So you are actually mixing a D#m (2a) into a A#m) (3a). Nothing wrong with your ears though.. this actually works pretty well so just keep it at it. Simple rule is usually if you have more than a 3% difference with tracks it will sound real bad. Over 4% and you are actually closer to the next note up so you may have to treat the record differently and think about perhaps mixing it with some different records. Cheers Nem

yea, but the smith and pledger remix is a hell of alot faster. after doin all this, im kinda disapointed in myself. my ears are obviously not as good as i thought, and its disapointing

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Originally posted by venomdx I find this to be F#m (I know these 2 keys contain the same notes but the root note of flakes is definitely F#)

Ah yes, you're absolutely right. F#m it is. I've updated the list. Thanks for the heads-up

Brian

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Originally posted by brian Ah yes, you're absolutely right. F#m it is. I've updated the list. Thanks for the heads-up Brian

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