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| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Well you and I both can not say whether or not there REALLY would be more over-doses....but i would imagine the more a dangerous product, such as heroin is, the more careless useage we would see....heroin, alcohol and nicotine have severe consequences to ones health...but to argue is their really would be more overdoses is pure conjecture...we really can't say. |
OF COURSE we can say there wouldnt be as many overdoses!! Why do u think overdoses happen in the first place? Its because people cant tell when they get purer than normal stuff, so they accidental;ly take too much.
Heroin is not medically dangerous, its just addictive.
| quote: | | I see your point.....but they would find other means to get money...making drugs legal would not stop gang crimes....it would just sprout new ones... |
Maybe some would, but its hitting them hard in the pocket. Drug dealing is one of the most profitable businesses in the world, if not the most.
| quote: | | Well of course that is one reason for them being illegal....however like i have said...heroin was legal in the early 20th century and the results where terrible....users lost their homes, spouces, jobs and livlihood (sp?).... |
But why?
| quote: | | now they give as many needles as the user requests...but in the end it is up to the user to be safe...whether it is legal or not, the means to get clean needles is there now. |
Its not as easy as it should be.
| quote: | | not the high...but the need for the drug...again show me a case of a nicotine user commiting crimes to get it |
They dont need to because they can afford it, usually. Of course ive seen kids who couldnt afford it stealing money off their parents or whatever, ive even done it myself when i was younger.
| quote: | | i am a heavy smoker (almost 3 packs per day) and i can tell u that if the price was $300 i would just quit |
Its not that easy. Anyway, maybe u would quit, but that doesnt mean everyone or even most people would.
| quote: | | as opose to someone on heroin who would more then likely do any means necessary to get it...this a fact |
How can u say this? U dont know what percentage of smokers would be addicted enough to carry on smoking by stealing compared to the percentage of heroin users that do. For all u know, as many people use heroin and then stop when the cost gets too much as would stop using nicotine when the cost got too much. Dont say somethings a fact without doing enough research to know it is, just because u think something SHOULD BE a fact doesnt mean it is.
| quote: | | the body of a person with nicotine withdrawel symptoms can carry on alot easier then a heroin addict....heroin withdrawel symptoms are devastating |
I know somebody who decribed his nicotine withdrawls as "screaming, crying and vomitng all at the same time". Believe it or not, nicotine withdrawls can be as intense as heroin withdrawls, and they last much longer.
| quote: | | Crack is very cheap to buy...yet everyday crack heads commit crimes to get it...so there goes your entire price theory....these types of drugs cause severe addiction not matched by nicotine....apples to oranges. |
Well, crack isnt one of the drugs ive studied in any great depth, so i cant answer this fully. Firstly, that doesnt make my price 'theory' (fact) disappear. Do u honestly think if a heroin addiction cost $5 a day people would need to steal to fund it? Fuck no. Why would they?
Secondly, crack is EXTREMELY different in nature to heroin. It can cause psycological problems for the user that might make them quit work or more likely to commit violent crimes/steal. Also the frequency of use is much higher than heroin so while a single dose may cost less than a singl dose of heroin, the frequency of use makes up for that.
| quote: | | OK if nicotine is AS addictive as heroin...tell me why are there so many methodone clinics and exactley ZERO types of clinics for people who quit nicotine?...why is that an ex-heavy-heroin user needs to be on methodone for years, |
There r no clinics because there doesnt need to be. Nicotine users can go to a shop and get their nicotine patches/gum because theyre freely available.
The reason people stay on methadone for years is....... Its around 3-4 times more addictive than heroin. The reason its prescribed in the first place is because it lasts much longer than heropin, up to 72 hours.
| quote: | | yet a nicotine user does not need intervention after a few weeks? |
Funny u should say this, as heroin addiction only lasts up to around 10 days.
| quote: | | You are failing to understand that in the early 20th century HEROIN was CHEAP...no more expensive then aspirin....YET people still commited crimes to get it because it was so addictive...again it was CHEAP, AFFORDABLE, LOW IN COST....stop tlaking about price in that era...it was not a factor....with that in mind people still lost all their money through the years of buying mass quanities of it and eventually losing everything...even at a low cost...then resorted to crimes. |
Really? Well, cigarettes r low cost and people buy them for years in mass quantities, yet dont manage to go through all their money. So ur saying, although heroin cost (assuming it cost the same as cigarettes) 60 times less than what it does now, people took enough to make up for that? Not possible. To take that much would be suicide.
Give me some links to this information.
| quote: | | Show me PROOF it is more addictive....one article, one source with credit and i will stand corrected. |
Sure. http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/hening.html
Or alternativly, if u want millions of links saying this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...G=Google+Search
U have to remember that there is like 1mg of nicotine in a cigarette yet heroin users may take 20 times or even more that amount in a single dose, yet nicotine withdrawls are not only as severe, but last much longer.
U should try having more of an open mind, it sounds like u just automatically believe everything the us government says.
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