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Originally posted by occrider Ummm ok this thread is getting out of hand. I'm starting to get the sense of a childish "here's why I'm better than you ... " mentality. What is this, a list of grievances over the course of US history? In that case I have problems with the British colony of Canada attacking Washington DC. Also, I'm very upset that Canada did nothing to intervene in Rwanda as well . Or how they didn't base 20 or 30 divisions of troops in West Germany for several decades to thwart Soviet aggression into Europe. So if you would like to intelligentely discuss an issue (and each one of these issues can warrant healthy discussion/debate) then bring up a specific issue in an individual thread rather than giving us a list of why you hate america. So unless you want me to delve into each topic in one massive post...

Hehe, when do you think this thread was ever in hand? A troll-like accusation thrown out with generalizations and no supporting evidence to show, how could one possibly think this was ever going to get anywhere?

As it's been stated before, there are some here that might even agree with 2hardcore4u, including myself. If you've read any of my previous posts in here, I tend not to think to favorably of this given Administration and the current direction our country is heading on a great many issues, both foreign and domestic. But I will not jump on any given bash Americans bandwagon without supporting empirical evidence. So far I continue to see nothing but mudslinging on your part, so I can't and won't support it.

I imagine your reply will be somewhat of another "see, it's that type of attitude"-type post, whatever the hell that means. I honestly don't want you to confuse me with a gun-totin' flag-wavin' shit-kickin' Patriot. I simply wanted you to give me evidence to support your assertion as to why America is pissing you off. In truth, that's all I care about. That's the design of an intelligent debate - supporting assertions and opinions with evidence. Now granted, you did reply to these questions, but your replies were more generalizations. Furthermore, when evidence was presented to you in regards to other countries and their associative corporate businesses' fallacies, you hand waved those completely away. Finally, as Occ has so graciously pointed out, the notion of you equating intelligence and knowledge to how many countries you've been is, at best, well, unintelligent and quite fallacious. However, I would love to join in that feeble point by saying I've been to 4 other countries other than the U.S. I hope that's good enough for you, I really really really hope so.

Unless you bring some posts, websites, facts, etc. to the table, your original statement is merely an unsupported assertion, regardless of whether or not I actually agree with it.

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