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Originally posted by occrider Building code designs don't necessitate that houses survive hurricane force conditions. To do so would be a far too costly and impractical to put in motion.

I'm pretty sure every house in Bermuda, for instance, is built to be hurricane proof.

I believe they are obliged by law to build out fo Bermuda limestone or concrete blocks.

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Originally posted by occrider Building code designs don't necessitate that houses survive hurricane force conditions. To do so would be a far too costly and impractical to put in motion. For one, who would be able to afford to live in Florida? You would immediately exclude the poor who would not be able to build all their houses out of concrete or what not. Second of all, given the unpredictable path of the hurricane, infrequency of strikes, redevelopment of new homes/communities, etc., and doing a cost/benefit analysis, yields far greater costs than benefits. So where is the risk factor of hurricanes taken into account? Insurance ... your housing insurance rates are probably a lot higher than other regions. You then balance out the high costs of your premiums over years of inactivity for when a hurricane does happen to hit. All your premiums are then paid out to those who are actually effected by the disaster. It's a far more efficient system than hurricane proofing every single house and home imo. I wouldn't even know how you would go about doing such a thing. HOwever, there likely are building codes that would LIMIT the amount of damage a periphary hurricane can cause to a structure that passes the cost/benefit analysis test.

- For hurricane Andrew, you could easily see the houses the followed the code and those that didnt. There was this private community, whose houses had barely any damage.. while all the surrounding houses were destroyed...

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Originally posted by LiquidX -- Damm, then Miami is not following building codes then, for not making strong enough houses to withstand hurricanes.. oh man!!

i dont really give a shit about miami (as far as this thread is concerned). this thread is iran quake vs california quake, not iran quake vs hurricanes in miami

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Originally posted by fuct4less it seems that you havent read the posts above that one. he wasnt the fist one to throw the insults, he merely responded to them.

i read the whole thread. 2 wrongs make it right though? did you see how i responded to him without any flames. last time i checked this was a discussion board, not a flame board

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Originally posted by hadi ****** i dont really give a shit about miami. this thread is iran quake vs california quake, not iran quake vs hurricanes in miami

- Im trying to make a point for those that seem to not see what Im referring to. And it really well fits the discussion, since people are talking about codes and blablabla.. and Im trying to say that pretty much everywhere, in everycounty, nation.. this things happen, and that not even in the US codes are followed, even in areas where catastrophes ARE expected. And since this is an iran quuake vs. cali quake.. then why is people talking about WMD. Anyways.. what will you say if a Tsunami hits the west coast?!?! are they prepared for it?!?!?!.. no.. why?!?!?!.. because they have never experienced any, or at least.. not in years.. the same thing with this city in Iran.

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Originally posted by LiquidX - For hurricane Andrew, you could easily see the houses the followed the code and those that didnt. There was this private community, whose houses had barely any damage.. while all the surrounding houses were destroyed...

So perhaps those in the private community went beyond the building codes than those outside of it. You can't really tell much from pictures. Have there been investigative studies done showing a flaglant problem with building code violations that resulted in inumberable deaths or destruction?

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Im trying to make a point for those that seem to not see what Im referring to. And it really well fits the discussion, since people are talking about codes and blablabla.. and Im trying to say that pretty much everywhere, in everycounty, nation.. this things happen, and that not even in the US codes are followed, even in areas where catastrophes ARE expected. And since this is an iran quuake vs. cali quake.. then why is people talking about WMD. Anyways.. what will you say if a Tsunami hits the west coast?!?! are they prepared for it?!?!?!.. no.. why?!?!?!.. because they have never experienced any, or at least.. not in years.. the same thing with this city in Iran.

That's not the point. Of course there are going to be violations of building codes everywhere you go. There is no such thing as a 100% compliance in ANY law. The point is is that there has been a systemic problem with the Iranian government in enforcing preventative laws enacted after the deaths of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS civilian deaths. I think Neophono has established quite nicely a historical backdrop for why the Iranian government is culpable and at fault for its actions or lack thereof. The Iranian government richly deserves criticism in my opinion. I mean please, if we substitute the Iranian government with the Bush administration I KNOW I would not hear you making cross comparisons with other countries and arriving at the conclusion that "everybody else does it."

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Originally posted by LiquidX - Im trying to make a point for those that seem to not see what Im referring to. And it really well fits the discussion, since people are talking about codes and blablabla.. and Im trying to say that pretty much everywhere, in everycounty, nation.. this things happen, and that not even in the US codes are followed, even in areas where catastrophes ARE expected. And since this is an iran quuake vs. cali quake.. then why is people talking about WMD. Anyways.. what will you say if a Tsunami hits the west coast?!?! are they prepared for it?!?!?!.. no.. why?!?!?!.. because they have never experienced any, or at least.. not in years.. the same thing with this city in Iran.

i think with hurricane, although i am not sure, people have forewarning to them, so they can get out of the area. i know tsunami's are hard to track because they travel really fast (900mph i believe) and the waves are but 1 meter high until they get close to the shore. however tsunamis can be predicted because they happen after earthquakes, thus the region that it might hit could be informed. i would say the point is, since earthquakes cannot be predicted, they shoudl follow those building codes since they cannot warn people when it "might" happen, but they can for tsunamis and hurricanes (at least a little bit) compared to earthquakes which they cannot predict.

yes i realize i got off topic, so no need to respond with "hey you are off topic too and shit" sorry i missed your point earlier

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer woow what an intelligent comment there!!

LOL, coming from a not so intelligent guy. I think we should give him the Khalalalala treatment

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I agree occrider.

When you look at the topic thread (Yes I know we hate to do this but...) we are comparing almost the same magnitute earthquake in California and in Iran.

Both of these areas have had very large earthquakes in the past 100 years, and so it is no suprise to any that they exist and can cause a lot of damage.

The California quake killed less than half a dozen, the Iranian quake killed tens of thousands.

If that does not testify to the preventive accountablity a government can do to avoid large damage and civilian deaths, I don't know what is. It shows us building codes are enforceable and work.

The difference is that in the past 100 years, California experienced the death and destruction that earthquakes can cause and decided to do something about it, Iran didn't.

Now if tens of thousand were killed in California today I am not so certain we would be sitting as quietly on this topic and say that the California government bears no fault whatsoever.

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As an Iranian I absolutly agree with Dopey

The Arab lovers in power in Iran (most Arabs themselves) spend billions of dollars every year funding terrorist groups like Hizbullah in Lebenon and the Palastinian terrorists. The terrorist bombings in Turkey were clearly supported by the clergy in Tehran, as the cought bomber later testified but the bitch ass European fascists are doing everything in their power to keep a lead on it lest it should disrupt their economic relations with the terrorist government. It's not even a real government. It's a multitude of mafia families all operating independently.

Over 500 Billions Dollars in oil revenues over the last few years have disapeared. The world has pourd money, men and resources into the country after the quake but the people themselves havn't seen a fraction of it.

Israel has THE most skillful and trained people when it comes to disasters and pulling people our of rubble, not to mention their highly advanced medicine. Plus it's only 2 hours away from Iran. But the clergy decided to let thousands die then accept Israel's helps which they so eagerly were offering.

And the matter of the government spending more money on fucking Arabs then building safe houses for it's people need not even be mentioned.

PS: Vote Bush in 04 you yanky punks. We need the man in power damn you. He gets things done!

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Originally posted by Illusion And the matter of the government spending more money on fucking Arabs then building safe houses for it's people need not even be mentioned.

"put your foul tongue behind you" - Gangalf the White

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Originally posted by Illusion If anyone else had said it I wouldn't have put my foul tongue behind me. But Gandalf the white! Wise wise man.. I am humbly forced to comply.

Aye, if it had been gandalf the Grey, he would have had no authority, as Saruman held power over him, but as Gandalf the White he clearly CAN command you to be quiet!

I'll be going now.

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