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DaveSZ
When The Levee Breaks



Registered: Jan 2003
Location: ATX
OK back to the South being scary

To whoever said that Texas is not the South, it is the South.

http://news.mysanantonio.com/story....aen&xlc=1115059

quote:


Confederate general, MLK lauded jointly

By Peggy Fikac
Chief, Express-News Austin Bureau

Web Posted : 01/17/2004 12:00 AM

AUSTIN — Looking at the coincidence of Martin Luther King Jr. Day and Confederate Heroes Day falling on the same Monday, the state's land commissioner, Jerry Patterson, sees common ground.
"Martin Luther King Day and Confederate Heroes Day: Honoring Men of Principle," is the headline of an opinion piece he wrote for submission to newspapers. It was routinely distributed to General Land Office staffers Friday.

"I hold that this day should be a source of pride for all Texans because I believe this day honors men of high principle: Dr. Martin Luther King and General Robert E. Lee," he wrote. "Men who, in their time, served as leaders of the causes to which they dedicated their lives, but moreover continue to serve as great moral and ethical leaders."

Pressing the point, Patterson wrote that Texas and the nation have "been greatly influenced by these men, and they should be considered a role model for anyone seeking integrity, dedication and selflessness."

Rep. Ron Wilson — who fought an attempt to link the two holidays during the years-ago battle to have Texas mark King's birthday — made his own point when told of the opinion piece.

"If you want to laud Robert E. Lee because he was a great general, you can do that," said Wilson, D-Houston, an African American. "As far as having high moral character and representing all that is best in us as an American people, you'd be better off picking (serial killer) Jeffrey Dahmer."

Patterson, whose great-grandfather was a Confederate veteran, said King's accomplishments are well-known and mark him as one of "the greatest Americans of the 20th Century."

He said the Confederate military leader's life was not so widely known. He said Lee opposed slavery and was a "dignified, respected soldier."

"So if someone says a holiday honoring the birthdays of Martin Luther King and Robert E. Lee is inconsistent, patiently explain to them the tie that binds these two men across boundaries of race and time. They were both men of principle," he wrote.

Byron E. Miller of San Antonio, who serves on a commission that promotes Juneteenth, which commemorates the freeing of slaves in Texas, said his reading about Lee has led him to "understand him as an honorable man," but added, "I also understand that he was on the wrong side."

"Even though the war was fought for many reasons, one of the main reasons was slavery," Miller said.

"I think that his timing is bad," he said of Patterson's column. "I just do. I also think that he has a right to his opinion."

State agencies are closed on the King holiday, which is the third Monday in January. Confederate Heroes Day always is Jan. 19, Lee's birthday. State agencies usually have a skeleton crew on the Confederate holiday but will be closed Monday since it's also King's day.


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487
Fox isn't bias, It has both liberal AND conservatives, FYI.

No,CNN,New York times,and The washington post are not all factual information.


*Sigh*

We're not going to go down this road again with Fox, are we?

quote:
The New york times is a huge joke,You want to blame the Drudge report for lieing? Well you picked the wrong news source to bring up. The NY times lied,more than once I assure you.

So, what about the guy the New york times fired for making stuff up? Hmm. This should be an interesting reply.


That was most unfortunate for a paper that is considered the most highly regarded world newspaper. Thank God that little turd reporter was caught.

It is up to the reader, however, to read through and understand bias. This is true for any media sources, whether it be newspaper, TV, radio, or internet. For you to consistently regard Fox as a non-bias news source, when even the most staunch Conservatives consider it biased, only exhibits your true ignorance. You will be hard pressed to find any Conservatives even here that would agree with your non-biased assessment of Fox.

Having a TV outlet created by a staunch Conservative supporter (Murdoch giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican campaign), fill the entire staff up with Conservative reporters and commentators, as well as former Conservative presidential staff members (and writers), and then occasionally have a centrist liberal show up for an alternative opinion (i.e. Alan Colmes) is far from being non-biased. And just to review some people on Faux's staff:

quote:
So FAUX's chairman Roger Ailes – who had worked as a media adviser for the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr., wouldn't create a biased environment, eh? I especially loved the 2000 election coverage by John "Let Me Call Florida" Ellis, the head of FAUX's coverage (which so happened to be Bush's cousin).

Bill O'Reilly (who is a registered Republican, despite his lie that he is an Independent), Brit Hume, Tony Snow (a former speech writer for Bush Sr.), David Asman (former Op-Ed editor at the Wall Street Journal) Sean Hannity (need I say more), frequent contributors like Fred Barnes, executive editor of The Weekly Standard (staunch Conservative publication); Monica Crowley, former assistant to Nixon; Jim Pinkerton, former Reagan and Bush staffer; John Podhoretz, editorial page editor of the New York Post and former Reagan speechwriter; and John Fund, a member of the Wall Street Journal's editorial board and collaborator on Limbaugh's political diatribe, The Way Things Ought to Be.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?...2&c=1&s=eviatar
(that is a leftist journal, BTW. The facts given however, are undisputed)


http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=2

I doubt CNN, NYTimes, Washington Post, CBS, NBC, or any other main news outlet has a "liberal" lineup that's equivalent to this. Can you think of one to note?

So to recap: staunch Conservatives vs. centrist Liberals is NOT "Fair and Balanced" (God I hope they don't sue me for using their phrase).


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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: New York

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
*Sigh*

We're not going to go down this road again with Fox, are we?



That was most unfortunate for a paper that is considered the most highly regarded world newspaper. Thank God that little turd reporter was caught.

It is up to the reader, however, to read through and understand bias. This is true for any media sources, whether it be newspaper, TV, radio, or internet. For you to consistently regard Fox as a non-bias news source, when even the most staunch Conservatives consider it biased, only exhibits your true ignorance. You will be hard pressed to find any Conservatives even here that would agree with your non-biased assessment of Fox.

Having a TV outlet created by a staunch Conservative supporter (Murdoch giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican campaign), fill the entire staff up with Conservative reporters and commentators, as well as former Conservative presidential staff members (and writers), and then occasionally have a centrist liberal show up for an alternative opinion (i.e. Alan Colmes) is far from being non-biased. And just to review some people on Faux's staff:



http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=2

I doubt CNN, NYTimes, Washington Post, CBS, NBC, or any other main news outlet has a "liberal" lineup that's equivalent to this. Can you think of one to note?

So to recap: staunch Conservatives vs. centrist Liberals is NOT "Fair and Balanced" (God I hope they don't sue me for using their phrase).


You appear to make a cogent argument on the surface ... but then I remembered that you're biased. So I'm not falling for your duplicity. Go fox news ... the last bastion of truth in the world today! Except for the bible of course.


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
You appear to make a cogent argument on the surface ... but then I remembered that you're biased. So I'm not falling for your duplicity. Go fox news ... the last bastion of truth in the world today! Except for the bible of course.


You can stop trying to unravel my true intent anytime now.

How am I supposed to take over the world and create a totalitarian extremist socialist regime if you keep butting in and mocking my arguments?

I'm afraid you will be sent off to the Ministry of Love soon to help alleviate your doubts.


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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: New York

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
You can stop trying to unravel my true intent anytime now.

How am I supposed to take over the world and create a totalitarian extremist socialist regime if you keep butting in and mocking my arguments?

I'm afraid you will be sent off to the Ministry of Love soon to help alleviate your doubts.


Fine. If you agree to stop exposing my biased right wing hitler-esque plots, I'll stop unraveling your commie-stalin plans.


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Shakka
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Now stop it! You're both starting to sound like a couple of fundamentalist extremists! Can't we all just get along?

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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Now stop it! You're both starting to sound like a couple of fundamentalist extremists! Can't we all just get along?


he started it.

*sniff sniff*


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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
he started it.

*sniff sniff*


God made me do it.


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LiquidX
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
God made me do it.



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God, Nellie, who would you then say really is a biased right wing source if not FOX? The KKK news bulliten?


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quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
God, Nellie, who would you then say really is a biased right wing source if not FOX? The KKK news bulliten?


That's pretty right wing!

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