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Originally posted by Ste hmm relegion. there'd be a lot less massacre's in this world if it wasnt for religion...

one of the most wise things said in this thread

in the end, i still don't get wtf is a 'christian track'. is a christian track a track made by a christian producer? then why some andy hunter tracks are christian and other aren't? is a christian track a track which has a girl happily cheesily singing about angels? someone enlighten me

and yeah i got to agree with Lira up there too, those wankers use religion and spirituality as a bridge between drugs and music

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All that christianity has nothing to do with music.
Fuck religions, it's just an escape of reality to "be happy" believing in lies.

get real dudes, cut the crap with this "christian" music.

Let's brainwash some more, keep your believe for yourself, it's about music... so don't start with the "Christion trance" or whatever, that total bollox.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 in the end, i still don't get wtf is a 'christian track'. is a christian track a track made by a christian producer? then why some andy hunter tracks are christian and other aren't? is a christian track a track which has a girl happily cheesily singing about angels? someone enlighten me

In that case, all Christians should avoid downloading things I put in the amateur forum, as they're clearly the work of Satan due to me being a godless heathen (aka an atheist). The devil speaks to you via Frooty Loops!

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Christian Track or mix is simply something you could play in church or your home without offending your pastor or family, etc.

Use that as a "guideline" and you'd have a Christian Mix! GET IT?
In the playlist I gave above, obviously the best examples would be the songs produced BY Christians because they specifically promote Jesus. But Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (for example) could obviously be thrown into a Christian mix just because there arent any words!

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Let's assume that a Christian message would be love, which is essentially what Jesus (Albeit selectively ) taught.

Selectively??? See...you are completely ignorant! Why would you say that? YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES so therefore your input about Christianity is weak, to say the least!

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Originally posted by Digital Aura Christian Track or mix is simply something you could play in church or your home without offending your pastor or family, etc.

well, obviously different pastors have different tastes and views in music. i could think of quite a few ones who'd qualify everything with a beat as devil-ish, which throws away the entire electronic dance music genre from being 'christian'.

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Use that as a "guideline" and you'd have a Christian Mix! GET IT? In the playlist I gave above, obviously the best examples would be the songs produced BY Christians because they specifically promote Jesus. But Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (for example) could obviously be thrown into a Christian mix just because there arent any words!

track with words that doesn't 'promote jesus' = anti-christian track?

i could also think of quite a few instrumentals that would offend loads of people. think terrorcore and speedcore

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Religion DOES cause war because the people ("leaders") misinterperet or misconstrue what the religion teaches to mean whatever they want it to mean and that's where the problem is. The same can be said with politics...

hmm, really eh

you should think again, yes the ideas are there but following thru with them takes quite a lot

hell if i told you to jump off a bridge and your soul would be saved..would you?

more of it lies in interpretation of the religion not the religion itself..same thing with corrupt leaders in politics you have the corrupt leaders in religion...so where you focus the blame is ..well.. whatever im tired

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Originally posted by Digital Aura Christian Track or mix is simply something you could play in church or your home without offending your pastor or family, etc. Use that as a "guideline" and you'd have a Christian Mix! GET IT? In the playlist I gave above, obviously the best examples would be the songs produced BY Christians because they specifically promote Jesus. But Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (for example) could obviously be thrown into a Christian mix just because there arent any words! Selectively??? See...you are completely ignorant! Why would you say that? YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES so therefore your input about Christianity is weak, to say the least!

So by your definition, almost every trance track in existence is a 'Christian track'. Many trance tracks have no vocals whatsoever, and the ones that do usually go on about angels, dancing in the sky, loving someone and so forth. Right.

And yes, because my opinion/interpretation of the bible differs to yours, I am therefore ignorant. Nice logic once again. Let's look at the evidence (Interestingly, you failed to address my post in which I took you up on the 'Christianity isn't a religion' comment, and asked you to justify your claim that the world's problems are derived from the fact that there are 'anti-Christ' religions about).

- John, 8:24. Jesus tells us that unbelievers will die in their sins:
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

- John 12:48. Jesus informs us that not believing in him will cause us to be cast into the fire: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

- Matthew 11:20-24. Jesus (lovingly) tells us that it's ok to murder large groups of people because they didn't enjoy his preaching: "Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." etc. etc.

Those were simply off the top of my head/things I remembered immediatley. Refutations please.

I'm also interested in your claim that I have no idea what the bible teaches. How on earth would you know that. Have you ever met me? Have you ever engaged me in a conversation on this topic before? The answer (Surprisingly ), is no.

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Its one thing to know some verses ...its another to know the author. If you know the author (you must believe that God inspired each book, as He claims) then your "interpretation" (as you call it) will obviously be different.

For example, what you have cited in the book of John does not depict a loveless merciless Christ. God gave us a free will. All Christians should respect and love each other regardless of how we each choose to live (homosexuals, atheists, etc). Thats our free will. But Im glad that He gave us the bible so that we can see where our free will goes against what He originally planned for our lives.
God cannot accept sin ... how could He? He is pure and untainted. He is clear though, that SIN is what he hates....not sinners.
In Matthew 11:20-24 once again he laments over the towns refusal to realize their wickedness...a town where He performed miracles and preached and was refused...
These verses simply show Him reproaching them about the final judgement. Final Judgement is the day we all stand before God to be counted as sinners or those who have accepted that Christ has paid for our sins through his death and resurrection. By believing...on that day we will be saved from eternal seperation from God.


You will NEVER find Christ saying that he HATES any person!!

Refutation? Im not trying to pick an argument or attack anyone here. In fact...we've wandered quite far off the MUSIC DISCUSSION path...PM me if you like to talk about this further!

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Stop the fanatism :/
Trance music isn't about 'Chrisianity' or "preaching jesus, promoting jesus or whatever chistian fucktard"
It's music and you labeling it "Christian music" is pathetic.

and that mix is a music mix, not some fucked up "Christian mix"
Get a life, get real, stop fantasising...

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Trance music isn't about 'Chrisianity' or "preaching jesus

..it CAN be.
Why couldnt it be?

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chistian fucktard

hehe...touched a nerve? Look...you dont have to be mean. A structured, well-thought opinion on the subject is welcome here...that...isnt.

Now...back to the music!! [...exits this fruitless thread]

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