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Originally posted by xKaoSx OR it represented the view of one and the editor of said "torygraph"

My point is, that editor will not allow something to be printed that does not represent a large section of the establishment, the Telegraph has a reputation for upholding the views of the establishment, therefore, you have to take into account that as it was this particular newspaper, and not one like the Guardian, that these views are actually felt in a large section of the establishment...

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Then they are doomed to never live in peace. Maybe they just aren't capable of peace in the first place and should just be left alone to kill themselves.

Unfortunately I think you're right.
It would take a couple generations of "freedom" to
change the mindset. The current civil situation pretty much
requires a dictator and all the normal horrors that come
with it in that region. Serenity in chaos.

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Originally posted by George Smiley My point is, that editor will not allow something to be printed that does not represent a large section of the establishment, the Telegraph has a reputation for upholding the views of the establishment, therefore, you have to take into account that as it was this particular newspaper, and not one like the Guardian, that these views are actually felt in a large section of the establishment...

Well- obviously I do not know your local digests there.
But is it that out of the realm of your mind that maybe
the editor might have his own agenda or maybe being pressed
by someone above to print it.

You can always turn it around that they/he knows that they have a reputation for printing the general consensous and he just wanted to get this shot across the bow. Who would question him? Obviously you're not questioning him. So he succeeded.

I would have to heartily agree with occ about ONE opinion whether it be from one person or one periodical. Tell the editor to name some sources- then we can talk.

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Originally posted by occrider You missed the point of my post didn't you? My whole post was about unsubstantiated generalizations.

No did get it, what I ment was firstly the officer doesn't really make a genralisation. He is talking about the way the American troops are told to do things and the mentality behind that. It's not a genralisation as it's a fact not an observation. Secondly I don't see what value your posted added to the discussion by quoting, at your own admission, genralisations.

But anyway George is right the torygragh really arn't the sort to talk about these types of things. Any negative comments from them about active troops are VERY unlikely to be unsubstantuated. And do you really think ANY british officer could add his name to that type of comment? And from all the people I've spoken to in the forces I've heard similar things and they have experianced it first hand.

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Fallacy: Appeal to Authority:

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A variation of the fallacious appeal to authority is hearsay. An argument from hearsay is an argument which depends on second or third hand sources.

Fallacy: Anonymous Authority:

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The authority in question is not named. This is a type of appeal to authority because when an authority is not named it is impossible to confirm that the authority is an expert. However the fallacy is so common it deserves special mention.

Enough already George and Dervish, everything you're posting here is a fallacy. Not only are you trying to prove your point with hearsay evidence (quoting the editor who quoted someone else), but your hearsay source has established his argument on an appeal to anonymous authority (based on an unnamed individual who we can't possibly identify and certainly cannot verify his integrity/public sway).

The logic in this is so weak that it might as well collapse on its own without any help from us. As long as we're making sweeping generalizations, I might as well go out on a limb and say that a friend of a friend lives in the UK and knows for certain that all Brits are twats who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Fallacy: Appeal to Authority: Fallacy: Anonymous Authority: Enough already George and Dervish, everything you're posting here is a fallacy. Not only are you trying to prove your point with hearsay evidence (quoting the editor who quoted someone else), but your hearsay source has established his argument on an appeal to anonymous authority (based on an unnamed individual who we can't possibly identify and certainly cannot verify his integrity/public sway). The logic in this is so weak that it might as well collapse on its own without any help from us. As long as we're making sweeping generalizations, I might as well go out on a limb and say that a friend of a friend lives in the UK and knows for certain that all Brits are twats who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Thanks Digi- I actually LOL'd

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Hahaha when was the last time you were in Iraq exactly? My sources as I've stated are CURRENT BRITISH TROOPS friends of mine for over 20 years! I think they know better than you...... dick

PS Why do you always use a dictonary in disscussions instead of any kind of arguement? I'll tell you why cos you don't have one.

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Originally posted by Dervish Hahaha when was the last time you were in Iraq exactly? My sources as I've stated are CURRENT BRITISH TROOPS friends of mine for over 20 years! I think they know better than you...... dick PS Why do you always use a dictonary in disscussions instead of any kind of arguement? I'll tell you why cos you don't have one.

Or maybe your friends are just bitter because they dont want to be there and US troops are drawing out their stay.

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Look just trust me (don't if you don't want to I'm beginning not to care) these are professional soliders. But not only that these are resonable responcible people. They didn't say "Thouse fucking yanks are pyscos" they said things like "I'm really concerned about the way the American forces do things. Some of their reactions to threats or even PERCIVED threats are completely disproptionate.". And they want to go back as soon as possible one was home cos he was injured and when I asked him he said he'd prefer to be back with his unit.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Fallacy: Appeal to Authority: Fallacy: Anonymous Authority: Enough already George and Dervish, everything you're posting here is a fallacy. Not only are you trying to prove your point with hearsay evidence (quoting the editor who quoted someone else), but your hearsay source has established his argument on an appeal to anonymous authority (based on an unnamed individual who we can't possibly identify and certainly cannot verify his integrity/public sway). The logic in this is so weak that it might as well collapse on its own without any help from us. As long as we're making sweeping generalizations, I might as well go out on a limb and say that a friend of a friend lives in the UK and knows for certain that all Brits are twats who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

You sad bastard!