Notice how all the old cronies at union station broke provincial liquor laws by toasting the new city smoking laws with alcohol in a public place?

Hey, if this is a sign that they are willing to drop all the repressive liquor laws we have im willing to make the exchange!

That article about New York City only tells half the story. I saw this when it came out and the critism was that they didnt include nightclubs and bars in this statistic. Restaurants will naturally do better because they are not nightspots in general. The same with some bars. WHat this didnt show were clubs and bars (bars are designated as places that sell 60% or more alcohol for all sales). Apparently business is down 20-30% and has never recovered. This can be varified personally by my friend in Buffalo who sees the numbers to his restaurant/bar all the time. He says the numbers have never recovered.

I don't live in Toronto but I just HAD to get my two cents in.

I live in Kitchener-Waterloo, about an hour and a half drive from Toronto. And if any of you weren't aware, we have had a smoking ban for the last couple of years.

No businesses are failing because of it, and in fact one of my friends who owns a bar here in town says not much has really changed, negatively or positively. Sure the first couple of weeks were a little rough getting used to, but once that subsided, all of our clubs and bars thrived.

I have been to clubs and bars here, and love being able to relax without my lungs hurting. When I went to Toronto a month ago, I could hardly breathe. It was awful.

I find that when I am in a very smokey environment, I have trouble seeing, breathing, and I begin to sneeze (allergies to cigarette smoke.) Is that really fair to me? I didn't choose to smoke, but I am getting the side-effects. So what? Should I be forced to stay home because people who have a problem can't be curteous enough to do it outside?

I think smokers are selfish and rude. You rob the non-smokers of their clean air, their right to breathe safely, so that you can get your fix! Just because you have an addiction, a problem, does not give you the right to effect other people who don't. Is it that fucking hard to go outside? I mean, how lazy are you? Maybe it is too hard for you to make it outside because you're too busy wheezing from your emphasima, which you can keep by the way.

This isn't the government trying to control us, it is the government giving us non-smokers our legal right to breathe safely back.

Seriously, stop the whining, and go outside!

P.S. All the places who don't have a designated outside smoking area will just have to make one. Places like the guvernment deffinitely can afford to add a balcony or something. It isn't like they will go bankrupt over some renovations.

P.S.S. Don't even try the "you are a non-smoker so you don't know what it's like for us smokers blah blah blah" bullshit. I smoked for 5 years, and I quit because my health got so bad from it, I could barely breathe. I was rushed to the hospital one evening to be hooked up on oxygen. My own fault, but I chose to stop.

My family has a history of cancer and breathing problems. My grandfather passed away from lung cancer just 2 years ago, and he had emphasima, and asthma on top of it. I have a high chance of getting the same thing, and I would prefer that those of you who don't seem to give a shit if you get ill, don't try to get me sick too!

I dont smoke but this is going to make a lot of paycheques look sick...


PS lets ask the owners of lulu's and metropolis why they closed their doors.

I specifically remember the lulu's guy going on the radio and pointing the finger to the bylaw.

IMO clubs in Kitchener have been replaced with bars and smaller clubs. The same will happen in Toronto especially if they ban smoking rooms (which is the next step on the zealots' hit list)

If I remember correctly Metropolis went out of business before the smoking ban was put in place, and did you ever go to LuLu's?

It was a dive, the place was getting poor business in the first place. Not to mention the fact that it was so outside of the mainstream district of clubs and bars.

Why would the government try to sabatoge the clubs and bars? They make so much money from the alcohol sales, and taxes from these operations, it just doesn't make sense.

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Originally posted by Theresa P.S. All the places who don't have a designated outside smoking area will just have to make one. Places like the guvernment deffinitely can afford to add a balcony or something. It isn't like they will go bankrupt over some renovations.

Because it's so nice in winter that we are going to LOVE going to balconies to smoke

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Whatever it may take I keep on trying.

Because theyd rather make money from condos and industry.

The government would love it if bars closed. Especially clubs.

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Originally posted by Theresa I don't live in Toronto but I just HAD to get my two cents in. I live in Kitchener-Waterloo, about an hour and a half drive from Toronto. And if any of you weren't aware, we have had a smoking ban for the last couple of years. No businesses are failing because of it, and in fact one of my friends who owns a bar here in town says not much has really changed, negatively or positively. Sure the first couple of weeks were a little rough getting used to, but once that subsided, all of our clubs and bars thrived. I have been to clubs and bars here, and love being able to relax without my lungs hurting. When I went to Toronto a month ago, I could hardly breathe. It was awful. I find that when I am in a very smokey environment, I have trouble seeing, breathing, and I begin to sneeze (allergies to cigarette smoke.) Is that really fair to me? I didn't choose to smoke, but I am getting the side-effects. So what? Should I be forced to stay home because people who have a problem can't be curteous enough to do it outside? I think smokers are selfish and rude. You rob the non-smokers of their clean air, their right to breathe safely, so that you can get your fix! Just because you have an addiction, a problem, does not give you the right to effect other people who don't. Is it that fucking hard to go outside? I mean, how lazy are you? Maybe it is too hard for you to make it outside because you're too busy wheezing from your emphasima, which you can keep by the way. This isn't the government trying to control us, it is the government giving us non-smokers our legal right to breathe safely back. Seriously, stop the whining, and go outside! P.S. All the places who don't have a designated outside smoking area will just have to make one. Places like the guvernment deffinitely can afford to add a balcony or something. It isn't like they will go bankrupt over some renovations. P.S.S. Don't even try the "you are a non-smoker so you don't know what it's like for us smokers blah blah blah" bullshit. I smoked for 5 years, and I quit because my health got so bad from it, I could barely breathe. I was rushed to the hospital one evening to be hooked up on oxygen. My own fault, but I chose to stop. My family has a history of cancer and breathing problems. My grandfather passed away from lung cancer just 2 years ago, and he had emphasima, and asthma on top of it. I have a high chance of getting the same thing, and I would prefer that those of you who don't seem to give a shit if you get ill, don't try to get me sick too!

Hi all non smokers, I know you all like to live in this "eternal life fantasy" that the rest of us smokers do not live in, but guess what, we all know something you might not know.....YOUR ALL GOING TO FUCKIN DIE ONE DAY. Yep, thats right, even you health freaks out there. The truth is, if you dont smoke on a regular basis that my cigarette smoke for one night will not kill you from cancer (gasps in shock). The stats have always been misconcieved, and the percentage of you dying from my cigarette is very low and comparison to the many other ways you can and will die from in this country. So quit the fuckin bitching about me killing you with my cigarette, you ever notice its always those pretenious uptight yippie go-getters, the ones you want to shoot with a sawed off barrel shotgun in the mall that always scream this bullshit of "death".

Now onto the the girl who I am quoting from...

Oh cry me a fuckin river you geriatric drama queen, you know what, you put smoke on people for five years, and now since you all of a sudden stopped, its your right to impose your right to live on me? Like I give a shit about your life, or the other losers here who cry about smoke, quite frankly, I hope it kills you, so that your incessant whining can come to a bitter end. You have every right to breath? no you have every right to kiss my ass and that's it.

You know what pisses me off about this law, is that they made sure that smokers are not allowed to have smoking rooms as well. So now, because I have to pretend to care about someone else's pathetic exsistance, I have to go outside and freeze my ass off during the winter? You know there is a middle ground that could of been reached in all this between smokers and non smokers. But for a complete BAN inside all bars, thats sound and smells like bullshit to me.

You know what? I dont even care about the smoking part, what I care about is that some health freak is preventing me from doing something I make a choice to do, and when I hear someone telling me im endangering their life with second hand smoke, ill tell them theyre gonna find a shit load more danger from me in three seconds if they dont fuckin get outta my face. There are millions of jobs in this city, and because not even a percent of those jobs dont like smoke in the work place, I have to stop? theres some more bullshit...Why cant there be smoking nights or a smoking designated floor? nope...NO SMOKING FOR ALL BARS.

And No, the clubbing industry will not suffer from this, people will learn and cope with it, and move on. Life will continue, and we will all smell better in the morning...end rant.

You can take away my smoke, but you'll never take away MY FREEDOM!

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but you'll never take away MY FREEDOM!

Yes they can. And they are doing it more and more because the sheep are just rolling over and letting it happen.

Just ask the club owners and pesticide companies how much freedom we have. Oh and i see tanning beds are the next target..

Someone please stop the nanny state because its out of control...