You've changed what your saying, before it was about how it was ace how thouse Iraqis were getting shot up, then it was about how breaking international law, now it's about whiether I've been to Iraq your a fanny and your not worth talking to.

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Originally posted by Dervish You've changed what your saying, before it was about how it was ace how thouse Iraqis were getting shot up, then it was about how breaking international law, now it's about whiether I've been to Iraq your a fanny and your not worth talking to.

huh.. I never said it was ace for them to shoot the Irakis, I commenting on how war is ugly and how I'd rather have an iraqi at the end of a barrel then a coalition soldier. As bad as it may sound.
Anyways, what's a fanny? and please talk to me!!!! I'm a human being for Chris sake! I have feelings too!

BTW,
what laws are these guys breaking?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5196406/

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Originally posted by Spartan You can say that America shouldn't police the world, that's fine. You can say that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, ..I agree. You can say that our soldiers caught on video haven't been the best example of American values, but whatever. But seriously, how can anoyone honestly say that America didn't play a big part in World War 1 and World War 2. Let it be a reminder to everyone that we entered World War 1 to help out our allies the British. We didn't need to go, but we did because we felt it was the right thing to do, and it was. The fact that you're criticizing our part in the war is unbelievable when we went all the way to another continent just to help friends. Germany had done nothing to us, other than the "Zimmerman telegram" and sinking one of our oceanliners. Do you seriously believe WW2 could have been won w/o the US? Maybe they don't teach you about D-Day over in Europe. Oh yeah, and to this Serbian kid who keeps posting stuff, maybe you've forgotten about the millions of dollars in aid that the US has poured into Serbia. You don't know what you're talking about.

Are you fucking borderline retarded, HELP IN WWI AND II ?!?!??!?! you mother ******s didn't do shit, and I mean YOU DIDN'T DO SHIT, you went into WWI because of Lusitania not because you thought that it was the right thing to do you fuck head, and look at the statistics, you lost no more than 500,000 people in WWII , that's NOTHING, you played absolutely no role in WWII, Russia pushed the Germans out of Russia and all the way through Europe into Berlin. You guys make yourselves out to be some fucking heroes because of D-Day, that shit was nothing, oh ya and are you a fucking vegetable, HELP IN SERBIA!?!?!?!??! did you forget about Kosovo, talk to someone who has been there in the war and ask them how tomahawk missiles falling on them helped them out

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Originally posted by DjSway I tell you what, I'll admint it first, my words don't count here. Why? Because I'm not there, defending my life, wondering if the next minute some iraqi "freedom fighter" will aim an ak47 or an RPG at my ass, I'm not there eating sand and heat for breakfast, not there loosing my good friends, seeing stuff that we can only imagine. I hope I won't ever have to be in that situation, and this is because of the brave soldier who are doing it for us! As much as we critize their action, they only wish they could be home. You talk about upholding laws and such, but I wont take your word for it. Not unless you go there yourself and do a full tour of duty.

"seeing stuff that we can only imagine."?!?!?!? give me a fucking break, what a pussy, what's happening to the Americans in Iraq is a walk in the fucking park

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Originally posted by DJ Rat 187 "seeing stuff that we can only imagine."?!?!?!? give me a fucking break, what a pussy, what's happening to the Americans in Iraq is a walk in the fucking park

So getting shot at, suicide bombed is a walk in the fucking park?

He has a point.... how many Americans have died in this "war"?

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Originally posted by DjSway No sympathy for those people in the video.. War is ugly for both sides, if you think these pilots gave a hoot, do you think Iraqi fighters give a hoot about US soldiers too? Since I'm not on their side (Iraqis), I'm glad it was them on the receiving end this time. However, this doesn't mean I approve the war in Iraq.

That sounds happy to see them get shot up. Pehaps I've been harsh or misunderstood you or something.

Also posting that link about the captive has nothing to do with the fact that american pilots broke laws.

About the sad deaths of Americans in Iraq one death is too much yes.... but killing people (more deaths) for no reason apart from the fact that your feeling twichy is not the way to act professionally.

Also the actual number of dead in comparision to the number of troops isn't that high really. i.e. if you were in it from the start (which wouldn't happen as you would have been relived by now) there is a less than 1% chance you'd die. That is basicly less than 0.5% given that you'd have been rotated.

Bearing in mind that just in trainning quite a few people die. Again 1 is too many but the Iraqi people have it much harder.

That is less than 1000 american troops dead, atleast 10,000 iraqi civillians dead.

EDIT:See the thing is Americans tend to think of bloodless wars that is bloodless for them. This one isn't actually wha I'd call a fully fledged war.

E.g. during the Falklands War the British had 1000 (i.e. more than in Iraq) casualties. And that was in 1982 not all the long ago.

Have you even heard of that? No..... why? Because no Americans were involved. Now even worse compaired to the rest of the world think Kosavo for a recent example 1000 people being killed is a non event saddly.

But becuase of the preoccupation with perserving American GI's lifes they will kill as many as it takes.

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Last edited by Dervish on Jun-16-2004 at 00:38

This video again ... it's kind of old news:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/apache.asp

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Originally posted by Dervish E.g. during the Falklands War the British had 1000 (i.e. more than in Iraq) casualties. And that was in 1982 not all the long ago. Have you even heard of that? No..... why? Because no Americans were involved. Now even worse compaired to the rest of the world think Kosavo for a recent example 1000 people being killed is a non event saddly. But becuase of the preoccupation with perserving American GI's lifes they will kill as many as it takes.

Actually that's 1000 casualties suffered from both sides of the conflict. The Brits lost 255 men.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/st...ands/guide6.stm

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The fact that there were a mere 1,800 islanders, and that their way of life was preserved at the cost of 1,000 British casualties and 1,800 Argentinian ones did not seem a grossly stupid and expensive way of conducting foreign policy;

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Yeah it is old!!! lol I had this exactly same convo with people in the policical forum...

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Originally posted by Dervish LINK Yeah it is old!!! lol I had this exactly same convo with people in the policical forum...

Weird ... not sure what that novelist is using as a source, but every source I look at says 255 brits. Hmmm ...

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Originally posted by DJ Rat 187 Are you fucking borderline retarded, HELP IN WWI AND II ?!?!??!?! you mother ******s didn't do shit, and I mean YOU DIDN'T DO SHIT, you went into WWI because of Lusitania not because you thought that it was the right thing to do you fuck head, and look at the statistics, you lost no more than 500,000 people in WWII , that's NOTHING, you played absolutely no role in WWII, Russia pushed the Germans out of Russia and all the way through Europe into Berlin.

Do you think the Russians would have been able to push Germany back if the US didn't make it a two front war by invading France? Just because you're angry w/ the current America gives you no right to deny history. I don't understand why you're getting all upiddy about this anyways. I have no problem agreeing with you that the war couldn't have been won w/o Russia. And by the way I already apologized for my out of place Serbian comment.