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| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Great, so instead of answering the question and elaborating on your views, you dimwittedly generalize about your opoponents and make ad hominem attacks. Just to avoid any possible wrong accusations, I myself am not a big fan of gay marriages, but I can at least explain my rationale behind it instead of just saying "I think it's wrong and you're stupid".
And how exactly would you know my (our) standards of living and view of happiness? And who are you to decide that your standards are better than ours?
How can you claim that your faith in an entity that has
a) not been proven to exist
b) contradicted itself countless of times
c) caused death and slaughter of millions of innocent people (including babies)
d) explicitely said that it values one nation above others
e) punished people for any sign of independent thought
f) condoned slavery
g) condoned violent acts against people of other religions for no reason except them being members of other religions
h) openly stated that woman rights are lesser than those of men
is more worth than our mostly secular views based on equality, peace, human rights, and science?
Will you please give a single evidence as to why we should believe otherwise? If it is error free, would you please explain then why is there no solid firmament that seperates upper waters (sky) from lower waters (sea)? Because AFAIK, space flights went above the sky and somehow they didn't find the huge mass of water. You might also care to explain how Noah managed to fit in an entire bandwagon of world species into a 150m long ark, and how he fed them. It would also be interesting to know how he redistributed the animals to all the contintents, especially ones like the platypus or penguins. While we're at it, you also should explain the existance of dinosaur and early hominid fossils.
It is you who is generalizing and immediately assuming that we don't posess your level of comprehension, while the facts are that many of us have went through bible classes and realized, unlike you, that the stories there should be viewed as metaphores at best. Even the Pope himself doesn't hold belief that the bible should be taken literally.
Again, how can you generalize about people of whom you really know nothing about? My guess is that you base your theories on yourself, since it is probably you that would be lost and feel empty if you would abandon religion. Such a strong need for guidance by a higher power only shows a great lack of belief in yourself and a lack of your own ideals.
Would you care to provide some evidence upon which you base your belief? You may also explain the early hominid fossils and dinosaurs I mentioned earlier, as well as genetic similarities between species, facts that those similarities become closer as we go deeper into the past where species converge, and some modern mutations like nylon eating bacteria.
Yes, they are not perfectly accurate, but they are certainly not 500 million years off. The error margin is generally not greater than about 10%.
Actually facts do change people's minds, but the problem is that you haven't stated a single one.
That is essentially correct. Unfortunately, however, your decision is not based on reality. |
B-E-A-UTIFUL.... i think you said it better than most of us could. i know a lot of people who are religious and when i tell them that there is no prood, whats the deal with faith, etc etc. all they say is, well dont you have faith in scientists. "well, i dont have to. They can give me proof."
i look at the bible the same way i look at the game "telephone" that we played in kindergarten. when someone said something, by the time it came around to the other side, it was completely different. the bible works the same way. over centuries, changes are made and veiws are skewed and although they can all be taken as metaphores, those metaphores are always changing. in 1000 years, if the human race is still around, and christianity is still dominant, they will have completely different views because of how it changes.
something i want a religious person to explain is:
-adaptation/evolution
-where is heaven and hell
-how did all the animals fit on a boat and redistribute
-how did they build the boat out of wood, and somehow make all the logs/peices so close together to keep
them water proof
-what proof do you have of anything
-what kind of "god" condemns 2/3 of the world to eternal damnation because they dont share the same veiws or because they are homosexual, etc.
-what kind of god would allow all the horrible things happen to the human race, even strong believers
there is just far too much wrong with christianity and imo any religion that is based around a creater god(no offense)
someone gimme proof and i will stop fighting for atheism
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secret services still kidnap people without motives and torture them 
, people are so not sophisticated and well behaved its frightening. Thanks there's some immigrants here and there who show a good example.
