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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

funny thing about this board is everyone dislikes you

downloading is evil mmmmkay

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I havent read all of this thread but i have this point to make ...

How many of the people that d/l'ed it actually have decks and would have been able to purchase the track anyway?

If you're only putting a track out on vinyl then you're not really losing sales from someone that never has/will own decks.


I think the whole mp3 thing has a totally different agruement when it comes to EDM .. it's fair enough to see why 'normal' CD sales are massively affected but compared to that there's such a small percentage of EDM listeners with the equipment to actually listen.

mp3's are much more of a tool to dj's these days imo ... i know i d/l a hell of a lot but if something's good it gets picked up on vinyl without fail.

if you buy Compilations, but also down load full rips is this ok or not?

for example say you have coldharbour sessions, but also have the mp3 rip for whirlpool - under the sun

ok or not

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Originally posted by E-vangelist not necessarily... while a vinyl ultimately can have a better quality due to the fact that it's analog, when you "rip" something (into a mp3 for example) you're compressing it into whatever format you choose.. so whether it came from a vinyl or cdr if you compressed it to 192kbps, the difference is going to be negligible

That would ONLY be the case if a vinyl was:
-Not attracting dust and thus bad quality
-Every vinyl was the same... you got good vinyl and bad vinyl
-The pressing is like the original master intended (I remember the Havannah - Havannah pressings for example which were just beyond awful)
-On a good setup (good tt, good mixer, good cables, good needle etc)
And even then it wouldnt be perfect coz of so much other things... In THEORY the quality of the sound that is pressed on the vinyl would be better than a CD-source but in reality it can never be that way

therefor official cdr's and such are ALWAYS better quality than a vinyl. And a 192kbps compared to a 320kbps is ofcourse a major difference but the bigger the numbers get the less you can hear it.

Anyway the CD-Vinyl subject has long passed really... everyone should accept that CD is in alot of ways superior to Vinyl

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Originally posted by Floorfiller you know what though. there is a difference between dling a tune before it is set to be released for your own listening enjoyment and dling it and then using it in a online broadcast or a promotional mix. i think that is the problem we're talking about. people listening to the track and then deciding to purchase it is not a problem, but people shouldn't be using the track to promote themselves as dj's until they have actually purchased it.

Exactly. I use mp3s to preview releases, but would never use one in a public mix. I've ended up buying much more music as a result of mp3s, but only mix with purchased material. That's part of why I chose vinyl over CD, actually, because in a way it forces me to use bought media and support the artists.

As for the casual trance listener who does not wish to mix, I have no ethical solution to offer, as they don't appear to have any incentive to buy.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Exactly. I use mp3s to preview releases, but would never use one in a public mix. I've ended up buying much more music as a result of mp3s, but only mix with purchased material. That's part of why I chose vinyl over CD, actually, because in a way it forces me to use bought media and support the artists. As for the casual trance listener who does not wish to mix, I have no ethical solution to offer, as they don't appear to have any incentive to buy.

but then how can they call themselves a true fan of the genre if they don't have a desire to mix...its INEVITABLE!!!!!! hehehe

Hey guys... i've chilled out a bit now (just returned from my REAL JOB!! ).. I realise my initial post was a bit anger fuelled!!! I apologise if it came across arrogant in anyway.. BUT..

My point remains the same... what really annoyed me is someone quite willing to offer the mp3 around not even knowing who I was...

I really don't have a dinosaur attitude as someone stated...and I know that probably all of you would have no idea who I was if not for the Net, but still, I run the record label for you people - we don't make hardly any money doing it... we do it to get tracks out there, then it feels like the people we are trying to supply good tunes to, are crushing us!!

As a record label we are looking into the Legal Downloading of MP3's as we know that many people don't have Record Players anymore but still want the tune.. and YES, i agree that vinyl is massively over priced but trust me... it cost so much to produce it!!!

As for the issue of it being my fault!!??!! Promotion of a track is very difficult in the current climate. How can we not send out any copies!?!? The track would fall on its arse!!! How many of you listen to ASOT and really want the tracks Armin plays.. this is how tracks gain hype.. we need to send tracks out.. the problem now seems that some of the A - B list DJ's we supply with music feel the need to upload and share it..

We are now pursuing Digital Signature on each CDR so that we can trace this problem in the future!!!

Thanks anyway for your support in this un-avoidable occurence.

Andy

P.S. The rips are all wrong anyway.. its Whirlpool & Octagen... not Whirlpool v Octagen!!!

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Originally posted by bagguley P.S. The rips are all wrong anyway.. its Whirlpool & Octagen... not Whirlpool v Octagen!!!

Take that you filthy leechers!

Its the sad old point that people still feel its their unborn right to listen to music without paying for it.

I know loads will come back with the excuse "if i couldnt download it, i would never have it, as i would not buy it, so they loose no cash to me..."

blah blah blah

In other words, you dont want it if its not free.

And if large groups of people are allowed to get their music under that premise, there will be no music industry other than Pop Idol.

People need to realise that to get more good music out in the trance scene the labels need support, work with them rather than against them.

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Originally posted by keithos27 excuse my ignorance, but is there really a noticable difference between 320 and 192? or only in a large place like a club? just curious... -keith

i would imagine that extra data would have been removed in the 192 rip. if more data is lost, then there is less data that can be amplified via the club sound system. also, the encoder you use would affect the sound, but i can't remember the research detailing the findings...

in any case, wouldn't you be too fucked to notice the difference anyway?

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Originally posted by Frase Its the sad old point that people still feel its their unborn right to listen to music without paying for it. I know loads will come back with the excuse "if i couldnt download it, i would never have it, as i would not buy it, so they loose no cash to me..." blah blah blah In other words, you dont want it if its not free. And if large groups of people are allowed to get their music under that premise, there will be no music industry other than Pop Idol. People need to realise that to get more good music out in the trance scene the labels need support, work with them rather than against them.

If it weren't for filesharing, I probably wouldn't know of half the EDM artists that I do. I download a lot, but I also buy a lot if I like what I hear. While people need to realize that the artists/labels/producers need monitary support, the artists/labels/producers also need to realize that if it weren't for mp3s, many of their tracks wouldn't be as popular as they are. At least for the lesser known artists/labels/producers. mp3s are a double edged sword. The smaller guys love em because they get their music out there fast, but the big dogs hate it because they know that their music will be heard regardless of mp3 rips of their tracks.