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Originally posted by spec Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

yeah...better then selling your pride for c0ck, Spec

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Originally posted by spec Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

hahaha man. It's funny how you critize people what they do. As hard as it may be for you to understand, there are many people do it for their country. They don't do it because they are stupid, they don't do it to become rich, they don't do it to become famous, they don't to "kill babies". They do it for the guy next to them and for people with stupid remarks (notice i didn't say opinions)

I'm currently serving in the US Army and in Iraq for the second time. Actually the only differences in me that people that know me have told me are that I'm

a. more accepting
b. more patient
c. not as lazy anymore

Although I've had to go through some rough stuff I'm thankful that I've been able to serve and be a part of the military. I suppose you can redicule people all you want and just lay back and never find out for yourself what something is like. Although I'd rather be the person that can say I've been there and been able to experience it. As soon as I joined I figured out most of the stuff people say about the military is false. Lots of misconceptions and myths go around and some are perpetuated by prior service members that have a grudge for some reason or another. Lots of the training we go through is to make you understand and accept the possibility (for me the fact) that you will see and undergoe some very stressful and horrible times, and that you will have to rely on your buddies and the training you've had to survive in any enviroment. I suppose there should be a "phasing out" process for those of us that have been to combat. So that you can transition back to civillian life afterwards. You've go to understand its a hell of a transition from civillian to soldier. I'm sure that for some the transition is just as hard going back to civillian after something like this, or any prolonged time int he military.
*shrugs* I've got to go.. my time is up I'll continue in a bit.

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Originally posted by spec Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

I'm glad you presume to know me so well...

Can you bring up an argument that doesn't rely on your ignorance, bigotry or general dislike for all things not you?

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Originally posted by Michael19 like what? i know their are peacekeepers, but what else is "good" about an army?

you think eire would be around right now if the GB didn't field an army and try to fight off the nazi invasion of europe?

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Originally posted by Seventil I'm glad you presume to know me so well... Can you bring up an argument that doesn't rely on your ignorance, bigotry or general dislike for all things not you?

ha. The truth.


but its useless, its like fuel on a fire, he will just come back with something demeaning to try to make himself feel better. Low self esteem is a bitch.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence um Boomers, are you trying to drum up business? *note: Spec, call our Doctor Boomers and schedule an appointment. He will help you deal with your issues.

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Originally posted by spec I wonder if anybody has the displeasure of being in the military service here. It is said that strongest form of brainwashing in the world today is the type that occurs in the armed forces. Not only does this equip personel to do humanless acts whilst serving but also fail to live in society as decent members. In Australia there has just been a case of 2 SAS soldiers being busted for trying to attack a pregnant ex-girlfriend with the aim of her losing the baby from the planned severe beating. The judge questioned the methods of training used with these soldiers because many other members have faced the courts on counts of severe anti-social behaviour. On top of that we've had so many drug scandals with soldiers and a major government enquiry into the suicide of a soldier whilst in training. This enquiry found a culture of abuse within the army. I've read many psychological journals written that suggest that mammals killing their own kind is very unusual in all species, including humans, and massive amounts of mental conditioning needs to take place before it can be done. I wonder what a member of the armed forces would do when faced with an order that defies his/her moral principles? Is there right or wrong, or is it just yes and no?

the military doesn't brainwash you, they reverse the process. all the bad habits you learned in the real wrold, they teach you to let them go. its the society that brainwashes, and they are in the forms of commercials, movies, product industries, etc...

Military training has it's own values and vision and they try to bash that into you. I've always considered joining the reserves for my country, I might. I'd defend my country if I had to, I have no quams about joining the military. I have a tremendous appreciation for whoever is in the armed forces for their countries. You may not agree with the views of the government but the military does what it is told to do, some soldiers (the prison abuse in Iraq) were wrong but at least most are defending freedom for others and putting their lives on the line, you can't claim that. I think people should STFU about the military, if you are not apart of it because you were too weak to stand up for your country imo.

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Originally posted by Ripped Bag I'm currently serving in the US Army and in Iraq for the second time. Actually the only differences in me that people that know me have told me are that I'm a. more accepting b. more patient c. not as lazy anymore Although I've had to go through some rough stuff I'm thankful that I've been able to serve and be a part of the military. I suppose you can redicule people all you want and just lay back and never find out for yourself what something is like. Although I'd rather be the person that can say I've been there and been able to experience it. As soon as I joined I figured out most of the stuff people say about the military is false. Lots of misconceptions and myths go around and some are perpetuated by prior service members that have a grudge for some reason or another. Lots of the training we go through is to make you understand and accept the possibility (for me the fact) that you will see and undergoe some very stressful and horrible times, and that you will have to rely on your buddies and the training you've had to survive in any enviroment. I suppose there should be a "phasing out" process for those of us that have been to combat. So that you can transition back to civillian life afterwards. You've go to understand its a hell of a transition from civillian to soldier. I'm sure that for some the transition is just as hard going back to civillian after something like this, or any prolonged time int he military. *shrugs* I've got to go.. my time is up I'll continue in a bit.

I like your justification of the training procedures used, excellent preprogrammed responsive mental patterns.

Do tell more about your phasing out idea. Is this kinda like weaning off the killing slowly, like with addictive medicines?

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Something tells me that you seem too weak to stand up for your own country's protection

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Originally posted by torontotrance Something tells me that you seem too weak to stand up for your own country's protection

Shall I interpret the word weakness to mean the opposite to following natural instincts to protect from the evil enemies?

Sounds just a little prehistoric to me.

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