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Originally posted by töbias At a huge huge event, you probably can't see the stage anyway, so it matters little, although for a small club, you can certainly see what the DJ is up to with his hands. Other mediums will come in and out of popularity, but vinyl will always stay.

couldn't have said it better myself. i also feel a bit cheated when i see a dj using cds, regardless of if he is number two in the world or not.

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when Tiesto has the bass cranking at CLub Space miami.

PVD needs to give him some training on how to EQ the dynacord


glowsticks, lasers, etc....

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Originally posted by callme I've always meant to ask this....who the fuck are you? I mean i have never heard of you or the 5 friends you have on your myspace. Official info : chokeonit

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Originally posted by töbias I view DJs playing on non-vinyl formats as being the musical equivalent of a pop or rock star on stage miming. Sure it sounds okay but when you go to a live performance I expect a large amount of originality, technique and skill under pressure to be involved. You are going there to see a performance, its not always just about the music that is played. I am no armchair trance fan. Mixing on digital decks can be done by someone under 10 years old, and playing from a laptop when playing live to a crowd of people that payed decent money for their ticket is musical fraud in my opinion. But you are right, vinyl is bulky, scratches, wears out, is expensive, but what you don't mention is that it is sexy. The other more 'economical and practical' formats are not.

That's ridiculous. With todays technology you're getting the exact same feel and control over your medium with CDs as you do with vinyl (fanatic vinyl nostalgia not taken into account). So what makes mixing with CDs so different from vinyl? What makes it so much easier? Also, you do realize that those who mix with a laptop (Final Scratch I assume) use vinyl for the actual beatmatching/mixing process, right? Without elaborating on what makes mixing with CDs so much easier and less skill requiring than vinyl, your argument means jack shit, and frankly, the whining from vinyl purists like you is starting to get on my nerves.

BTW, track down the video of James Zabiela from his latest mixcd Alive. Here he uses his CD decks as tremendous creative tools, getting more potential out of his records than anyone could ever get with two 1210s.

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All the shit about the dancefloor I agree with.

I haven't seen any of the shirtless blokes, and for the most part the guys getting drunk stick near the bar.

But the floor is a mess. People go out there to stand in circles and socialize, stand there and drink, simply stand there, etc. Yeah, I know the house DJ sucks, but when the big guys get there can you take it somewhere else? Pisses me off, because the people that want to dance are constantly getting crowded by these idiots. The ones drinking may be moving, or standing still, but either way it's a dance floor and they usually end up spilling their brew.

People cutting through the dance floor also piss me off. And it's a constant torrent, they never stop. You'd think it was Scavenger Hunt or something, back and forth, back and forth.

I don't know if this only happens here, but apparently glowsticks are just too pricey nowadays, so people are using just about any thing, cheap LED's, pagers, cell phones, to wave around with the lights flashing? It's just not working. If you want to wave light around, and least be real about it.

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Originally posted by bobba lou when Tiesto has the bass cranking at CLub Space miami. PVD needs to give him some training on how to EQ the system glowsticks, lasers, etc....

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Originally posted by callme I've always meant to ask this....who the fuck are you? I mean i have never heard of you or the 5 friends you have on your myspace. Official info : chokeonit

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's ridiculous. With todays technology you're getting the exact same feel and control over your medium with CDs as you do with vinyl (fanatic vinyl nostalgia not taken into account). So what makes mixing with CDs so different from vinyl? What makes it so much easier? Also, you do realize that those who mix with a laptop (Final Scratch I assume) use vinyl for the actual beatmatching/mixing process, right? Without elaborating on what makes mixing with CDs so much easier and less skill requiring than vinyl, your argument means jack shit, and frankly, the whining from vinyl purists like you is starting to get on my nerves. BTW, track down the video of James Zabiela from his latest mixcd Alive. Here he uses his CD decks as tremendous creative tools, getting more potential out of his records than anyone could ever get with two 1210s.

nice reply. keep arguing with him cause i don't have the patience

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Something else that annoys me, is when someone comes over with glow sticks (or those stupid led lights) and wants to "do a show" for me, when I'm trying to dance. And when I say I'm not interested, they insist that i'm "really going to love it!!" and get in my face!!!

i cant stand all those dancing techno fags with their loud music, drug pills, and silly clothes. Why they always gotta bump into me when im sharkin on the dancefloor and make me spill my beer everywhere?!

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's ridiculous. With todays technology you're getting the exact same feel and control over your medium with CDs as you do with vinyl (fanatic vinyl nostalgia not taken into account). So what makes mixing with CDs so different from vinyl? What makes it so much easier? Also, you do realize that those who mix with a laptop (Final Scratch I assume) use vinyl for the actual beatmatching/mixing process, right? Without elaborating on what makes mixing with CDs so much easier and less skill requiring than vinyl, your argument means jack shit, and frankly, the whining from vinyl purists like you is starting to get on my nerves. BTW, track down the video of James Zabiela from his latest mixcd Alive. Here he uses his CD decks as tremendous creative tools, getting more potential out of his records than anyone could ever get with two 1210s.

Cmon, with today's technology? CDs are hardly groundbreaking rocket science or state-of-the-art, they are simply a more convenient, cheaper to produce, simpler way of storing music, and the progress of digital mixers has been all about trying to copy vinyl turntables with extra settings to make it easier to use.

And as far as using laptops goes, I can understand if some kid has developed a new tune and wants to try it out on a captive audience and hasn't the money or similar to have it pressed, but I don't think there is any reason for top djs to cheat in this way. I'd love to see a computer dj have a system crash just before the gig, a lesson learnt in taking the easy wide road to popularity.

You don't need to justify your use of technology to me, or try and tell me that CDs and Musical Software is the new better thing etc etc, because I'm not the only one in this world that aprpeciates a quality DJ that can perform on records under pressure that wheels his record bag into the club.

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Originally posted by töbias Cmon, with today's technology? CDs are hardly groundbreaking rocket science or state-of-the-art, they are simply a more convenient, cheaper to produce, simpler way of storing music, and the progress of digital mixers has been all about trying to copy vinyl turntables with extra settings to make it easier to use. And as far as using laptops goes, I can understand if some kid has developed a new tune and wants to try it out on a captive audience and hasn't the money or similar to have it pressed, but I don't think there is any reason for top djs to cheat in this way. I'd love to see a computer dj have a system crash just before the gig, a lesson learnt in taking the easy wide road to popularity. You don't need to justify your use of technology to me, or try and tell me that CDs and Musical Software is the new better thing etc etc, because I'm not the only one in this world that aprpeciates a quality DJ that can perform on records under pressure that wheels his record bag into the club.

I'm not a DJ, nor am I trying to "justify" or say that digital technology is any better than anything else. Vinyl purists who keep whining over DJs making use of new technology mediawise just tend to annoy me.

Furthermore, you're not addressing any of my points, so arguing further with you would be quite useless. I could dig up several links to digital decks that give you just as much feel and control over CDs as you would with vinyl and 1210s and other stuff to reinforce my argument further, but since you obviously won't pay any attention to them at all, I won't bother.

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post one thing? well i've got more than one thing that gets on my nerves at clubs...and i'm in a bit of a pissy/ranty mood anyway.

1. i totally agree with everyone's complaints about guys who are sweating like a horse and not wearing a shirt. NOBODY....male or female wants to rub up against that shiny sheen of sweat. and not to mention, if they are the type to dance/jump around...the sweat also flings off and lands on ppl nearby. it is more than gross and they should all be shot.

2. i also have to agree with disliking ppl who dun wear deodorant...or even if they do...it has worn off and you are jus lucky to be standing rite next to their arm pit. however, it is a club, and ppl do move around so i guess some BO just can't be helped sometimes.

3. ppl who bring whistles with them to a club and start tweeting on them nonstop and thereby ruining good songs. they should join some sort of nature bird watching/bird chirping event on some isolated island in the middle of nowhere instead.

4. ppl who clap. i absolutely hate that, unless the dj initiates it..but that is rare in most cases. crowd clapping and trance just dun go well together.

4. kids who bring glowstix or lights with them, but have no idea how to use them at all. i have seen some who cannot even move them in time with the music. why illuminate urself even more so that i can see that you can't keep in beat?

5. i dun normally bear a grudge against ppl who don't dance well or dance differently, but i can't stand it when ppl are trying to do stuff like modern, contemporary dancing on the club floor. modern contemp dancing is cool...but does not belong on the dancefloor and looks totally bizarre. it is like all of a sudden seeing ppl do the waltz while vascotia - calibro is being dropped.

6. getting hit on by guys who cannot interpret my cold, unfriendly persona as a hint to NOT talk to me. Failing that, the inability to comprehend the lack of interest on my part after trying to chat me up...even when i have said out right, "well, i don't like you." its not about playing hard to get. i'm really just not interested. now please fook off and let me listen to my music in peace.

7. i hate it when ppl occupy good spots on the dancefloor (ie. where they can see the dj) but who either do not dance, do not know how to dance, do not kno who the dj is, do not kno wut kind of music is being played or all of the above. And yet they continue to just STAND there and prevent others (such as you and i) who are there for the dj, for the music, to dance in a place on the dancefloor where we can see the dj and interact with him/her. they are literally taking up space.

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Originally posted by niteshayde 3. ppl who bring whistles with them to a club and start tweeting on them nonstop and thereby ruining good songs. they should join some sort of nature bird watching/bird chirping event on some isolated island in the middle of nowhere instead.

OMG! i HATE it when people bring those stupid whistles to the clubs. i prefer the original remix that the dj is spinning, not the whistled out club mix.. thank you very much. leave the remixing to the producer.

pEy

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