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Screw the unicorns,lets talk about blackholes blackholes has been confirmed to be immensely dense structures,so dense it can absorb whole galaxies,even light,just everything in its way and its speed is literally wicked,and its believed that in a black hole,time stops,nothing else exists.Yet we all learned that "nothing" cannot exist since its nothing,so there comes the theory of parallel universes (well more say that at a certain time,its get incredibly dense yet small,and it implodes giving birth to supernovas,but right before the supernova,it becomes a pulsar,but thats something else). The calculations behind this theory are very precise and accurate,yet again,no one's been in a black hole. We base ourselves on calculations,which most of time are precise but not 100% sure since we havent been there and we do not know nor have all the knowledge surrounding this phenomenon yet.So all of this,the theory on blackholes,unicorns,they're imaginary since we have no human way to confirm their existence/theory. So i think we're in a right to make any suppositions we want since well we dont know cause we havent been there,even the craziest of arguments can be taken.

Johnny,
You're obfuscating the issue here. Please don't compare black holes to unicorns. Although we've never "seen" a black hole, were never "there", all calculations about black holes are based on indirect yet VERY reliable evidence. In other words, there is some effect that is causing certain planets to change course from their regular orbits. We see this change of direction, we see that they are being pulled. We potulate a theoretical construct and give it properties and a name. Same exact thing for dark matter. This is all based on sound empirical and scientific evidence, so there really is no comparison between black holes, dark matter and unicorns . Using your logic, then gravity doesn't exist since we don't "see it" and Jupiter doesn't exist because we "weren't there". Yet they both do, and we most definitely know that with a rather high amount of confidence don't you think.

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Perhaps there's a good methodological way to get threw our statements,well i havent followed philosophy in university, but doesnt mean the poor mortal who didnt follow that course cant have any logical order in his ideas/arguments. We has thinking beens are gifted ,we can think and elaborate ideas in different ways,as crazy as they might sound. Galileo was sent to the "nut house" for elaborating his theory,that was revealed true after. He was ignored because he went against the writting of a solidly based institution that was christianism and the bible. Lucky Darwin didnt suffer the same faith even though he came close to it. So going against "stated facts" often bring doubt,the doubt that we need to actually look for the truth,thats where we see the human .

Again, I thought my methodology was crystal clear but I guess it's not. It's not about not going against stated facts. I encourage people all the time to go agaisnt stated facts. What I'm opposed to is going against stated facts that are accpeted as true based on good sound evidence when there is little to no evidence in support of alternative theories. If I adhere to the scientific method, then naturally, and this is ipso facto (by definition of this methodology), I may change my position with time upon presentation of reliable and contradictory evidence. It does not mean that I believe what is stated blindly, and it most certainly does not mean that I cannot or will not change my position. But there is a certain means by which I change my position, and this means is what you can call the "scientific method".

As for philosophy, you don't need to take a course to understand what I'm talking about. I'm merely applying what you do in everyday life in the usual nonchalant manner in a more rigorous way. Call it what you want, but we do this all the time.

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Originally posted by Epicurus Alright, so you're telling me that flight AA-77 disappeared on 9/11/2001 in the same time frame as the pentagon attack, that passengers on that plane died since they had a list of names of people on that plane and found the remains of those same people, BUT that somehow, flight AA-77 crashed and killed all those people somewhere else in this universe, completely unknown to us.

I have seen theories about where it ended up. I don't remember what the theories were. All i do know is that there was as much evidence they ended up where the theorists claimed as there is to suggest it ended up in the pentagon. Ie. no pictures.

Think about other plane crashes around the world. There are always pictures of plane wreckage and massive disaster.
This plane crash in the most televised event in history and there are no pictures of wings, jets, black boxes, cockpits. nothing. No rubble. No body sticking out. Nothing. A 757 crashes and not a shred of evidence it was ever there.

The plane left the radar screen. Thats not normal that doesnt just happen by accident. Planes dont disappear.
I will try to find out more information about theories as to where it may have landed.

when i w as talking about blackholes,i was talking about time stopping,that part of the theory cannot be verified physically,therefore cannot be confirmed at 100%,but true i wasnt very clear on that one.

Johnny, again, black holes are theoretical constructs. I won't bore you with the math, but essentially, the fact that time stops is a result of taking the limit of Einstein's theory of special relativity at tiny little distances. Einstein's theory basically predicts that time, as well as space, is destroyed at the center of the singularity (black hole), but I agree, no one knows why or how and physicists are actively working on a new set of laws that describe the center of the singularity.

Having said that, I believe we have discovered 12 holes in the Milky way already, and I'm sure we'll find more. The point being that we're rather sure that these "things" exist, as opposed to something like unicorns.

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I will try to find out more information about theories as to where it may have landed.

Great. When you do, let me know, as I still find it suspect that nothing AT ALL was mentioned about some other plane crash somewhere else.

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Originally posted by Epicurus Johnny, again, black holes are theoretical constructs. I won't bore you with the math, but essentially, the fact that time stops is a result of taking the limit of Einstein's theory of special relativity at tiny little distances. Einstein's theory basically predicts that time, as well as space, is destroyed at the center of the singularity (black hole), but I agree, no one knows why or how and physicists are actively working on a new set of laws that describe the center of the singularity. Having said that, I believe we have discovered 12 holes in the Milky way already, and I'm sure we'll find more. The point being that we're rather sure that these "things" exist, as opposed to something like unicorns.

never said black holes never existed,not only do i have one, but im very aware of the millions there must be in space. But the Time stopping,i find interesting.I understand the concept,but imagining "nothing",just plain nothing,the no existence of time which means nothing exist is a concept very complex that i can accept,but possibly cant imagine,so something i cant imagine for me is impossible,a hole in the universe leading to nothing,basically all physical plan x,y,z and the time plan are banned cause there is literally nothing,but i mentionned that because physically,its impossible to prove this,so for me its still hypothetic,not the black holes,but time stoppage.

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not only do i have one

bwahahaha

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never said black holes never existed,not only do i have one, but im very aware of the millions there must be in space. But the Time stopping,i find interesting.I understand the concept,but imagining "nothing",just plain nothing,the no existence of time which means nothing exist is a concept very complex that i can accept,but possibly cant imagine,so something i cant imagine for me is impossible,a hole in the universe leading to nothing,basically all physical plan x,y,z and the time plan are banned cause there is literally nothing,but i mentionned that because physically,its impossible to prove this,so for me its still hypothetic,not the black holes,but time stoppage.

Fair enough. And I agree that time and space being compressed to 0 is rather hard to imagine, although black holes are exactly like the singularity that banged at the big bang, and the fact that time and space "didn't exist" before is fairly well accepted, although I know there are a number of dissenting views. Anyway, here's to everyone's black hole

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Originally posted by discojoe There is no doubt that a 747 didn't crash into the pentagon. The question is why the pentagon is telling the people it did.

this we'll NEVER know