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DigiNut
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

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Originally posted by MarkT
parents may KNOW it was their own kids fault if something happens to them, but you can bet that 9/10 will attempt to sue the school, if given the option.

It's our wonderful society of no one accepting responsibility for their own actions...and immediately putting the blame on someone else when they can. it's sad.

You said it yourself, it's about liability and not responsibility. Seems to me the solution would be an overhaul of the liberal court system and the disbarring of numerous judges who have already proven their lack of objectivity and their desire to rewrite the law instead of upholding it.

Aren't we taking society in entirely the wrong direction by simply accepting this misplaced liability as the letter of law? Instead of doing something about the frivolous lawsuits, instead of standing up for once and saying hey, guess what, PARENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, we're apparently supposed to not only have this fact go unacknowledged but actually create MORE laws to "protect" schools from this "liability", thereby solidifying the notion in people's minds that the parents are in fact no longer responsible.

It's a cycle, and it's the same cycle that happened on a much larger scale in the USA. The rule used to be "let the buyer beware" - but after idiot judges awarded millions or billions of dollars in damages to people who spilled hot coffee on their laps, it was set in stone that the manufacturers/retailers were suddenly responsible for the safety of people who bought their products and used them for purposes they weren't intended to be used for. That's why we have the "CAUTION: DO NOT EAT" labels on rat poison and "WARNING: SHARP" printed on knives - the courts have stated loudly and clearly that it's no longer the consumer's responsibility.


(Incidentally, it doesn't look like Theresa read my response... *sigh*, women...)


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are you suggesting that a parent, who is (presumably) at work during the school day, ought to be more responsible for their kid's well being than the school where their kid is legally required to attend? hhhmmmm...that doesn't sound terribly reasonable, does it?

In civil suits, we have to show REAL damages in most cases. There will be no McDonald's coffee lawsuit for $3 million in Canada. BTW, that case went to a jury...a stupid jury...one that had a juror quoted as saying that this case was about the "callous disregard for the safety of the people" by McDonalds, simply because they had paid out in other cases and knew that their coffee "could" cause serious burns. There's more to it, but that's ludicrous logic, IMHO.

The case of kids in school...that's about legally requiring kids to be in school, thus a school has a duty of care to those students. How would it be reasonable to have a law requiring students to be in school, but for the school to have no responsibility for their well being?

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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!



Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
are you suggesting that a parent, who is (presumably) at work during the school day, ought to be more responsible for their kid's well being than the school where their kid is legally required to attend? hhhmmmm...that doesn't sound terribly reasonable, does it?

In civil suits, we have to show REAL damages in most cases. There will be no McDonald's coffee lawsuit for $3 million in Canada. BTW, that case went to a jury...a stupid jury...one that had a juror quoted as saying that this case was about the "callous disregard for the safety of the people" by McDonalds, simply because they had paid out in other cases and knew that their coffee "could" cause serious burns. There's more to it, but that's ludicrous logic, IMHO.

The case of kids in school...that's about legally requiring kids to be in school, thus a school has a duty of care to those students. How would it be reasonable to have a law requiring students to be in school, but for the school to have no responsibility for their well being?

There have been plenty of frivolous lawsuits in Canada, they just don't get publicized as much because unlike Americans, Canadians don't seem to be capable of laughing at themselves. I'm pretty sure I could find you a list or two though, want me to?

And well, remember who you're arguing with here, I don't think it makes any sense to legally require kids to be in school in the first place.

But don't forget that I never had a problem with banning the sale of junk food in public schools. Public schools are, well, public, which means the government can regulate them to their heart's content, as long as the regulations never seep into the private school system. My point has always (and only) been that the negative effects of junk food in schools are VERY minor compared to the effects of millions of parents taking their kids to McDonald's every weekend because "they won't eat anything else" - and let's not kid ourselves, we've all heard at least one parent give us a lame excuse like this.

Will banning junk food help? Sure, maybe a tiny bit, but band-aid legal solutions which ignore the real problem only servce to quicken the path to nanny-statism and don't provide any significant lasting benefits.


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