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Halcyon+On+On
Liebchen

Registered: Sep 2004
Location: midcoast
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| quote: | Originally posted by Subey
You live in two extremes. You want to reduce things to pure animalistic symbolism, or try to extrapolate with a human mind what life might be like at higher levels of consciousness.
1)We aren't animals, so looking for too many answers there is problematic and reduces us to purely pavlovian mechanistic robots. We have transcended the animal state, and in that transition all previous symbols are transformed. Reducing all women who wear red into women on the prowl demeans both them, and the colour. If you want to pereceive yourself as being limited in that way, that is your choice, but know it will warp all your pereceptions.
2)You don't have an "ultimate" consciousness. Your a human. Trying to imagine what such a thing would be like is very problematic. Any attempt to do so will be just as warped. Thinking you have the mental abilities to conceive of such is just as foolish.
Its fun to think about consciousness in both directions, but rememeber at the end of the day your perspective will always be limited to that of a human male, and that's a bias you can't get rid of. |
Yes, I agree with you, but I think my last paragraph was misinterpreted. As I pointed out, we are primal on a very socio-idealistic sense, not necessarily the one by which I choose to view the world. As a being possessing at least some consciousness, I was merely recognizing the opposite of my thinking.
Humans don't consciously abide by color-patterns anymore, as it's really more of an instinctual thing. The human in me recognizes this as a trait for a homo-sapien; a rather degraded characterization of humanity, don't you think? They are one and the same, yes, but certain considerations differentiate the two - mainly conscious and sub-conscious sentience, for I believe that we possess both the potential and the prerogative for both. Consideration is a strange and debatable thing, but I don't believe we should just give up on it, acknowledging the existence of human limitation - that, in itself, is a limitation; a mental-placebo for prejudice, if you will.
Plus, that last paragraph was really more of a red-herring than anything. 
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Nov-29-2004 18:22
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taltul
Schmoovinator

Registered: Jan 2004
Location: :noitacoL
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Nov-29-2004 21:31
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UWM
mandroid
Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Here
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If you're serious about those shorts ...
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Nov-29-2004 21:39
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Ste
Planet Zogg Addict

Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Outer Dementia
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Nov-29-2004 21:41
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Michael19
Liverpool FC fan
Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Eire
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| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
well think of it like you're trying to get a girl and this other dude is also trying to get the girl. long story short if you're wearing a pink shirt you're not going to get the girl. i dont care how much she likes it if he calls you gay in front of her, its over |
haha, the fellas not gonna be able to get with the girl after he has his fash smashed in for calling the person gay.
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Nov-29-2004 21:59
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diego
Senior tranceaddict

Registered: Mar 2003
Location: dublin, ireland
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Nov-29-2004 22:56
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