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Ygrene
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Totergefuttert

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
I read somewhere on the net that its better to take creatine before a workout so you have the energy during your workout.


The creatine that you would be using for your workout today was essentially loaded into your system yesterday or two days ago.

The reasoning behind taking creatine immediately after a workout is because that is when your cells are most receptive to upload. Within an hour after your workout, your body is already starting to repair itself. By giving it simple sugars this helps facilitate two things: 1. Quick energy to begin repairs and 2. it creates an insulin spike in your system which helps load up the creatine.

Pre-workout, your body isn't under any type of stress to load the sugar/creatine into your muscle cells so you would essentially lose some of that creatine as it would be passed thru your system. i.e. your body can only hold so much of it.


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David Househead
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Calgary, Canada

Why do you need to do anaerobic excersize?...
Anaerobic excersize is resistence training, as I discussed it is to build muscle that in turns burns more calories, which keeps your body much leaner.

As for making the kinds of increases I have made, let me clarify a few things...

First my workouts:
I change things up at pretty much every workout. I rest more between sets some days and less others. I am always challenging my body. The 3 days I do resistance training they are full body workouts. I also change the order I do things, and change what I do so my body can't get used anything.
And I have missed the odd workout...you learn to listen to your body, it will tell you when it needs rest.

Second my diet:
I went from eating junk food, pasta, etc, to whole natural foods. I eat lot's of fish, cook my veggies in olive oil, never skip breakfast, and eat around 5 -6 small meals a day. You would be surprised how much more energy you have when you do this. I also gave up pop and cut juice intake to just one glass with breakfast. The rest of the time I drink water.
I do not currently take creatine, nor protein powder, I do however take mutli-vitamins & glucosamine, as well as use a fat conversion activity bar. I get all of these from one company... a wellness company.
That bar is the only one of its kind and actually blocks adenosine from being produced. Adenosine is what your body produces when you start excercising. It inhibits the body's ability to access it's fat stores, and slows your body down leaving you sore. When you consume this bar it accesses your fat stores, as well as recruits more muscle fibre, so you can work out longer & harder, and burn more fat. I am never sore after working out using this bar, but when I workout, or go running without it, I feel the burn

If anyone would like to learn more feel free to contact me.

Third...bad habit:
I stopped smoking the green stuff, as it decreases energy, increases appitite for junk food, and increases the body's ability to store fat.

Hope this helps...

ps- the multi-vitamins I take have a delivery system that through there scientififc patent, garantees over 80% absorbtion rate. The closest any other vitamn I have looked at is under 40%, with most around 5 - 10%. When you give your body what it needs it can recover extremely quick.


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David Househead
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Location: Calgary, Canada

oh... if anyone is interested and has Discovery Health channel
Tammy Van Wisse/ Discovery Channel broadcast.

The documentary airs Monday, Dec. 13, 2004 at 10 p.m. on Discovery
Health Channel and repeats at 1 a.m. Dec. 14 and Sat. Dec. 18 at 4 p.m.

On March 15, 2005 at 8 p.m. it is slated to air on Discovery Channel.

Tammy Van Wisse is a world class swimmer that has broken many records, she uses the same bar I use and there will be discusion on how it works during the documentary.


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Ygrene
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quote:
Originally posted by Koolaid
That bar is the only one of its kind and actually blocks adenosine from being produced. Adenosine is what your body produces when you start excercising. It inhibits the body's ability to access it's fat stores, and slows your body down leaving you sore.


Are you sure you are not talking about Cortisol? Cortisol is released as a stress response but it doesn't inhibit access to fat stores. It opens them up in addition to opening up protein stores (i.e. your hard earned muscles). Cortisol blockers are popular with bodybuilders because they are supposed to limit the amount of negative tissue breakdown caused by Cortisol.

Adenosine is a structural nucleoside; it's a basic building block of DNA and is found in all living cells. I don't think it has any type of involvement in stress response in the body aside from the cleavage of the phosphate group from ATP to form ADP.


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Dmatrox
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Calgary

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
The creatine that you would be using for your workout today was essentially loaded into your system yesterday or two days ago.

The reasoning behind taking creatine immediately after a workout is because that is when your cells are most receptive to upload. Within an hour after your workout, your body is already starting to repair itself. By giving it simple sugars this helps facilitate two things: 1. Quick energy to begin repairs and 2. it creates an insulin spike in your system which helps load up the creatine.

Pre-workout, your body isn't under any type of stress to load the sugar/creatine into your muscle cells so you would essentially lose some of that creatine as it would be passed thru your system. i.e. your body can only hold so much of it.


The creatine you probably wouldnt be absorbed right away into your bloodstream though. I read that taking creatine before working out basically replishes the creatine being used up while you are working out. Makes sense to me. I guess taking creatine after workouts makes sense too as resting muscle usually has 25mM of creatine phosphate (about 4 times the level of ATP)

Anyways, i think i have pretty good recovery.


quote:
creatine does not give you energy. FACT, not opinion


creatine doesnt give u energy, ATP does, when i was talking about creatine and energy, i dont mean creatine actually giving you energy, but the ATP.



Creatine + ATP <=> Creatine Phosphate + ADP


"Creatine phosphate shuttles high-energy phosphate from mitochondria to sites of muscle contraction"

that means phosphates are being transfered onto ADP (diphosphate) to make ATP (triphosphate), our energy

"An energy-rich muscle has lots of creatine phosphate, whereas a fatigued muscle has little creatine phosphate, and also has decreased ATP and increased ADP and AMP levels"


http://www.aw-bc.com/mathews/ch03/creatinp.htm



if i remember correctly from class:


resting muscle:
ATP: 5mM
Creatine phosphate: 25mM
Creatine: 5mM

pretty neat stuff huh?

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Mr. Pink
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from what i know


that shit toally gives more energy to your ATP molecules in your cells.


or something


anywayz, it totally pumped me up.

one time i took creatine before a work out and did so many push ups in a row, i puked when i stopped.
hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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David Househead
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Location: Calgary, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Ygrene
Are you sure you are not talking about Cortisol? Cortisol is released as a stress response but it doesn't inhibit access to fat stores. It opens them up in addition to opening up protein stores (i.e. your hard earned muscles). Cortisol blockers are popular with bodybuilders because they are supposed to limit the amount of negative tissue breakdown caused by Cortisol.

Adenosine is a structural nucleoside; it's a basic building block of DNA and is found in all living cells. I don't think it has any type of involvement in stress response in the body aside from the cleavage of the phosphate group from ATP to form ADP.


I am 100% sure I am not talking about cortisol.
This bar is scientifically patented in the US and Canada. This means they have to prove it works the way it says it does to achieve such a patent. It is the hardest patent to obtain.
It was developed by Dr. Larry Wang of the University of Alberta after 15 years of research into fat metabolism.


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Ygrene
Dr. Stinkburger Deluxe



Registered: Nov 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
The creatine you probably wouldnt be absorbed right away into your bloodstream though. I read that taking creatine before working out basically replishes the creatine being used up while you are working out.


Yeah, that makes sense too. I guess it really comes down to how much creatine you actually use up (intracellularly) during the workout. If you completely exhaust your stores halfway thru your workout then taking it before would be critical. If not, then you would only need the post dose. Either way, you probably can't go wrong with a pre and post dose.


quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
pretty neat stuff huh?


Yeah it is! Regular old science class in here!


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Ygrene
Dr. Stinkburger Deluxe



Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Totergefuttert

quote:
Originally posted by Koolaid
I am 100% sure I am not talking about cortisol.
This bar is scientifically patented in the US and Canada. This means they have to prove it works the way it says it does to achieve such a patent. It is the hardest patent to obtain.
It was developed by Dr. Larry Wang of the University of Alberta after 15 years of research into fat metabolism.


I think I know what you are talking about now. I think it has more to do with blocking the adenosine receptor than actually blocking the production of adenosine.

What's the name of the bar? I'd be interested to take a gander at it.


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