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Originally posted by LiquidX catholics are to blame in particular for the atrocities done hunderds of years ago..

looks like we have another self-hater on our hand

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Originally posted by malek hmmm.... and where do the orthodox stand if the catholics are the original christians???? aren't the orthodox the ones who kept the original values/moral/belief system? explaining why they're called orthodox?? please enlighten me because i'm perplexed right now!!!!

Basically, the Catholics support Celtic, and the other Christians support Rangers, thats all you need to know about the differences!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf looks like we have another self-hater on our hand

Dude, thats true, have you read history of what they did in Spain?!?!.. and that makes me a hater?!?!.. COme on pleaseee, dont be lame

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Originally posted by TheVrk Its easy malek: The term Christianity has been manipulated and morphed WAAAAAY out of original Catholic thinking. All Christianity means is that u believe in Jesus as your Saviour, which is cool, in that way i AM a Christian. But there are SOOOOOOOO many denominations that ARE Christian but have MUCH different beliefs/standards than the Catholic faith. All these born agains, united churches, lutherans, anglicans etc etc., DISTORT key beliefs and morals that MY faith is AGAINST. Believe me, my people in Croatia's beliefs/values are MUCH different than those in the US or Britain for example. So NO, I am NOT a Christian like so many others, I AM a CATHOLIC

It is true that there are churches that morphed out of the Catholic church, but there are others that were borned independently... without rooting out of the Catholic church. It is true that each Christian church has different beliefs and values, but this are basically made up by their own, not coming directly from the Bible, like the i one common thing that they all share, and that is the Bible, which basically carries all the values and beliefs ( COMMANDMENTS ANYONE ?!?! ) .. so yes, I dont see how they would differ so much in this types of terms... now it comes down what each church sort of makes up for their own rules and laws, or who to praise, in this case, the catholics have a lot of Saints whom they pray to, and that differs by country as well, while other churches just praise Jesus and God and Holy Ghost- so the rest of things are separate from what the original laws in Bible say.. thats a whole different issue, Christian is a general term for anyone that believes in the Saviour Jesus.. but yes, if one has a religion, one should say so.. weather a Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, etc etc ..

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Originally posted by TheVrk Its easy malek: The term Christianity has been manipulated and morphed WAAAAAY out of original Catholic thinking. All Christianity means is that u believe in Jesus as your Saviour, which is cool, in that way i AM a Christian.

Well, yes, but there are also a lot of things that the catholic church invented just to be different from the ortodox church. So if we're really gonna be nitpics, the most non-distorted beliefs are held by the ortodox church.

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But there are SOOOOOOOO many denominations that ARE Christian but have MUCH different beliefs/standards than the Catholic faith. All these born agains, united churches, lutherans, anglicans etc etc., DISTORT key beliefs and morals that MY faith is AGAINST. Believe me, my people in Croatia's beliefs/values are MUCH different than those in the US or Britain for example.

I'm not that sure that British belief system is that much different from ours. US maybe, because their bible belt wackoes are not far from Jehova's witnesses.

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So NO, I am NOT a Christian like so many others, I AM a CATHOLIC

Look, being a catholic is a more narrow term than being a christian, but catholics are a subgroup of christians. It's like me saying I'm not croatian, I'm a Zagreber (I guess that's how you'd say it in english). It is correct that I'm from Zagreb but there's no way for me not to be a croatian citizen at the same time.

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Originally posted by malek look, what if, I came to your house and started telling you that the way your family is organized, the way you treat your wife and your children is basically flawed and wrong. That my ways of dealing with this issues are the best because..., well because they're the best. This implies that your family, your fathers' family, your ancestors, and everyone else in your community/city/state have always been wrong and that I am right... what would you tell him? I think you would tell him to fuck off or You guys in Brazil enjoy the Carnival of Rio, this muslim/Christian guy who comes to live in Brazil, says its morally wrong and that it should be banned. But you guys in Brazil have had the Carnival for so long and its part of being Brazilian... wouldn't you tell the guy that he's way off?? wouldn't you feel insulted by this immigrant? That he's not trying to change himself to fit in the society but instead tries to change the society so that it pleases his belifs?!!

I totally agree. If you've come to live in a western state, then you should accept their culture instead of bragging on how your culture is better. Especially since modern day islam culture is in many areas inferior to that of the western world. If you don't like it, go back home.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I'm not that sure that British belief system is that much different from ours. US maybe, because their bible belt wackoes are not far from Jehova's witnesses.

I'm tellin you the UK is not a Christian country (I think Shadow Wolf or someone said that we have more Muslims attending Mosque than Christains attending Church and I wouldn't doubt that) And Jedi is an official religion in this country - I shit you not!!

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Look, being a catholic is a more narrow term than being a christian, but catholics are a subgroup of christians. It's like me saying I'm not croatian, I'm a Zagreber (I guess that's how you'd say it in english). It is correct that I'm from Zagreb but there's no way for me not to be a croatian citizen at the same time.

THIS i agree with....
Being Catholic is more narrow than a Christian indeed.
Catholicsm is much more conservative and strict than most other
Christian denominations - less tolerant.

RE:malek:

The Orthodox church is a little different than the Catholic.
They celebrtae key holidays on different dates (ie Easter & Chrsitmas)and have other differences as well....
But I would consider Orthodox much closer to Catholicsm than
the aforementioned "Christian" faiths.....

My bottom line: GENERALLY, Muslims in the Arab world who dislike or
hate Christians, WRONGLY associate them all as one.
Their hatred is for America and the West, and they falsely (tho NOT
intentionally) hate all faiths tied to Jesus.
Ex. They are against the US, UK, AND Russia, tho they do not share the same faith - Russia being Orthodox.

I do NOT want to be associated IN ANYWAY religiously with the US or UK. My family, my people do not share almost ANYTHING with their
policies and beliefs. Yet i'm afraid that ignorant people who do hate the US/UK GENERALIZE us with them. We are not as they are

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Originally posted by TheVrk THIS i agree with.... Being Catholic is more narrow than a Christian indeed. Catholicsm is much more conservative and strict than most other Christian denominations - less tolerant. RE:malek: The Orthodox church is a little different than the Catholic. They celebrtae key holidays on different dates (ie Easter & Chrsitmas)and have other differences as well.... But I would consider Orthodox much closer to Catholicsm than the aforementioned "Christian" faiths..... My bottom line: GENERALLY, Muslims in the Arab world who dislike or hate Christians, WRONGLY associate them all as one. Their hatred is for America and the West, and they falsely (tho NOT intentionally) hate all faiths tied to Jesus. Ex. They are against the US, UK, AND Russia, tho they do not share the same faith - Russia being Orthodox. I do NOT want to be associated IN ANYWAY religiously with the US or UK. My family, my people do not share almost ANYTHING with their policies and beliefs. Yet i'm afraid that ignorant people who do hate the US/UK GENERALIZE us with them. We are not as they are

Who is associating Croatia with the US/UK?

And if you are talking about Russia, they are hated by Muslims because of Chechnya, nothing to do with Russia's religious beliefs

Anyway, if you read the ideologies, I dont think radical Muslims hate Christians, just the ones that hate/oppress them (in the society bin Laden et al want, Christians and Jews and guaranteed security and freedom to practice their religion, but do not have all the rights Muslims citizens have, like the right to vote)

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf

Islam does want to conquer the world, just like everyone else you dumb dik. Unlike Chritians, Muslims did in a tasteful manner...rather slaughtering women and children both Muslim and Jews.

BTW, about your quote "Unlike Christians, Muslims think they are right..." r u really dumb...i'll leave it at that.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Who is associating Croatia with the US/UK?

Muslim extremists. These are the people that hate ALL people not Muslim. Believe me i KNOW from the war in Croatia and Bosnia in the mid-90s - bin Laden supported Muslims there too, even tho we (Croats)
GOT ALONG with the Muslims in the region.

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And if you are talking about Russia, they are hated by Muslims because of Chechnya, nothing to do with Russia's religious beliefs

Dood, I know this. Russia is more considered atheist by Muslim extremists from the Soviet days and war with Afghanistan.

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Anyway, if you read the ideologies, I dont think radical Muslims hate Christians, just the ones that hate/oppress them (in the society bin Laden et al want, Christians and Jews and guaranteed security and freedom to practice their religion, but do not have all the rights Muslims citizens have, like the right to vote)

Problem is this is what u THINK, but NOT reality. Radical/extremist
Muslims like the Taliban hate ALL Christians and EVERYTHING from the West. They consider them evil - and when it comes to the US/UK, who can blame them for such a viewpoint?
The US/UK have occupied lands of theirs, and continue to do so.

It's for THIS reason i dont like Croatia associated AT ALL with US/UK.
MY POINT: Radical Muslims STILL DO


I dont want ANYONE to think that i believe Muslims are trying
to take over the world - i DONT.
Only the EXTREMISTS would like to control it, but extremists of
ANY religion/faith want the same control