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ogvh5150
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quote:
Originally posted by ali92
All are so true. The Lincoln quotation makes me think of how divided this country is now. USA will 'fall' some day because it's getting more & more divided as each year goes on...


Hegelian dialectic.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.
Benjamin Disraeli

Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.
Woodrow Wilson


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JM
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quote:
Originally posted by wolverine16

The people in charge are not "conservatives" and you know it.


hehe... true in a big way. no conservative spends as much $$$ as Pres. Bush.

so what do you guys want? after all, you did get a liberal as a president



>JM<

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Trancer-X
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quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.
Woodrow Wilson


But they sure do make one hell of a wine!

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wolverine16
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quote:
Originally posted by JM
hehe... true in a big way. no conservative spends as much $$$ as Pres. Bush.

so what do you guys want? after all, you did get a liberal as a president



>JM<


Giving money away doesn't make you a progressive, especially when it's due mostly to a misguided war. If spending money makes you a liberal, Bush and Reagan would have been the biggest liberals in recent memory.


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ogvh5150
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Originally posted by Trancer-X
But they sure do make one hell of a wine!



You catch on quick.

Too bad sheeple don't.

My apologies. Sheeple are byproducts of behavior modification induced through brainwave manipulation from electronic medium or controlled environment combined with specialized diet and pharmacology.

Can't blame them, all they see their whole lives are shadows on the cave wall.


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Trancer-X
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quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150

Can't blame them, all they see their whole lives are shadows on the cave wall.


I'm sure that they would be enthralled by our world's diversity
- if only they would remove their blinders and take a look at the big picture.



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JM
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quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
I'm sure that they would be enthralled by our world's diversity
- if only they would remove their blinders and take a look at the big picture.[/color]



the irony is that you're the one not looking at the 'big' picture. if you did, you'd realize that us conservatives are not all the same, not all in the same pool you imagine us in. hence, maybe YOU are the one who needs to remove their blinders, stop segregating, and then, only if you try hard enough, will you be able to grasp the 'big' picture.

have a fun journey.

>JM<

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Trancer-X
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quote:
Originally posted by JM
the irony is that you're the one not looking at the 'big' picture. if you did, you'd realize that us conservatives are not all the same, not all in the same pool you imagine us in. hence, maybe YOU are the one who needs to remove their blinders, stop segregating, and then, only if you try hard enough, will you be able to grasp the 'big' picture.

have a fun journey.

>JM<


Where did I say that I was 'only' talking about conservatives?

If you were half as astute as you'd like to be, you'd understand that I'm talking about the majority of the population.

(and yes, including those who voted for Kerry)

>T-X<

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Trancer-X
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quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
You catch on quick.

Too bad sheeple don't.



Yes, example #4,873,298,203,975,834 right there above me.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't hold that back.

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I am just waiting for things to turn the temperature up by 33°.

There's no time to argue with the help.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.


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wolverine16
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Registered: Jun 2004
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FYI, this is about a done deal:

quote:
"Real ID" Tacked Onto Military Funding Measure, Bill Would Enact Broad Changes Without Congressional Review

May 4, 2005




FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: [email protected]

WASHINGTON - Congressional conferees have reportedly agreed on an appropriations bill to fund military operations, and attached the controversial Real ID Act to the bill. The Real ID Act will therefore likely be enacted without being scrutinized by any hearings or debate. The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed its disappointment that the final measure includes this sweeping legislation that rolls back asylum laws, attacks immigrants and sets the stage for a national ID. The House is expected to vote on the underlying measure this week; the Senate is expected to vote next week.


Source

If this is such a great idea that the American people really want, this should be voted on as a separate bill. Great how it's just been tied in with a bill that falls under the "support the troops" banner to avoid opposition. Ohhh...gotta go CNN is covering more "real news" about the runaway bride instead of this infringement on civil liberties.


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Trancer-X
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People didn't seem to want to believe me when I was saying this two years ago.

There's much more to come. Hold on for the ride, kids.

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