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Originally posted by Nou No, but there is no proof either way.

Bingo! You've won the prize!

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I never denied this, I have no doubts there was prior knowledge of an attack. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE U.S. CARRIED IT OUT ON ITS OWN.

Of course they didn't carry it out on their own. I never said that they did.

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Yea. So everyone of those videos that shows the buildings collapsing, and every eyewitness account is fake? I never said that the basement was destroyed by a fireball... you know what does destroy things?

No, I asked you about three times where the molten steel came from and you skirted around the question every time.

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MILLIONS OF TONS OF DEBRIS FALLING AT 250km AN HOUR! As the building collapses the bottom parts stay stationary and DOESN'T MOVE. Unless your blind you would see this. If it was controlled explosion in the base of the tower than it would have brought the whole building down at once. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE.

So, what was the difference in the way Tower 7 fell? It seemed to me like it fell right in it's own footprint just as the others did - except Tower 7 admittedly was pulled down by using controlled demolition

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

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So those planes hit perfectly on target but still managed to no disturb what would be hundreds, if not thousands of pounds of highly specialized shaped charges designed to cut steel, not to mention destroy any of the wiring systems needed to carefully detonate those explosives in a manor to bring down the building as it did.

You don't seem to understand that the buildings were hit at the 78th-84th and 93rd-98th floors, on 110 story buildings. It would seem to me that a few of the charges began going off as soon as the plane hit, hence the separate seismic readings.

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Like I said, its hard to keep secrets this big with out someone spilling knowledge of it.

So what do you think I've been posting this whole time? Do you think that so many of the whistleblowers have been losing their jobs because they are just conspiracy theorists like me? Many people had first hand accounts of what had happened, but there's a ton of subterfuge that is being promoted.

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No one noticed these explosives being brought into the building, I have never been to New York, nor do I ever plan or want to since its pretty much the center of all things bad about this country (I really hate New York ) but its a pretty busy city, and the WTC was a pretty big hub of activity, day or night.

Yeah, I'm sure they made their presences well-known, used official "bomb-squad" trucks, etc. It was a huge building and it was a professional operation. Obviously you are underestimating whoever did it.

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Like I said, those planes did hit the building and caused great damage to the structure (you can't deny this) and you suggest that explosive systems in place were not affected. Not only that, but these planes hit EXACTLY where they were supposed to.

And there you go, adding more fuel to the conspiratorial fire. The alleged hijackers supposedly couldn't even fly a single engine plane very well yet they were able to do some spectacular maneuvers that well trained pilots would have had a difficult time accomplishing.

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Believe me, I hate this government just as much as any other person, and personally my views are probably more radical than yours, but I am not ignorant like you. It's not worth it to do something like this. What is the point, what is the benefit to the U.S., any benefit would not out weigh the risk of something so treasonous that it could certainly incite revolution or something close to it, would it not? It's easier to let someone else do the work for you. Everyone knew that eventually the WTC would be hit again, they failed in 93 with the bombing, and they wanted to get the job done. Turn a few heads and let the radical Muslims make the first move. But yea, I am done with this thread, you obviously can't be dealt with in a reasonable matter and your far to corrupted to be of any worth arguing to. I am unsubscribing from this thread and putting you on my ignore list. I already have enough idiots in my life, don't need anymore.

But that's just it! I love my country, but the level of corruption in our government is disgraceful. If noone stands up pleading for a change, do you think that it will ever happen? Hell no, it will just get worse - especially with such docile, pliable (I should go so far as to say spineless) citizens.

The OKC attack had even more glaring inconsistencies in the official story - especially considering that they have the bomb-squad on film, coming to remove the unexploded charges that were left remaining.

I misread it and I thought Holden & Thompson killed em selves.

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If i post...

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I love my country

fuck you.

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Originally posted by Zenchowdah fuck you.

Yeah, that's basically the message our government gives anyone who questions the "official" storyline.

The truth was the first casualty of our "War on Terra."

I find it sad how the mindless, servile minions go about their duty without questioning anything. It gives a better perspective on how the Nazi's were able to persuade the entire German population.

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from Hunter S. Thompson You know, Bush, he’s really the evil one in here. Well, more than just him. We're the Nazis in this game, and I don't like it. I'm embarrassed and I'm pissed off. Yeah. I mean to say something and I think a lot of people in this country agree with me. A lot more never say anything. We'll see what happens to me if I get my head cut off in the next week by -- it's always unknown Bush [inaudible] strangers who commit suicide right afterward. No witnesses. They have a new kind of crime. MARY SUMA: Is that the CIA kind of crime? HUNTER S. THOMPSON: Oh, absolutely. Anyone who’s a successful criminal has got a crime. Absolutely no witnesses, no records. We can go on and on. I have to be restrained on the subject.

http://www.democracynow.org/article...05/02/23/164218

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Mick O’Regan: Unlike Walter Cronkite, Hunter S. Thompson is a stirrer, a deliberately provocative commentator and a freewheeling iconoclast, infamous for his relentless critique of the American government and military. He lives in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado and that’s where I found him at the end of a less than perfect telephone line, to ask his opinion of the state of the US media. Hunter S. Thompson: Well let’s see, ‘shamefully’ is a word that comes to mind, but that’s not true in the case of The New York Times, The Washington Post, but overall the American journalism I think has been cowed and intimidated by the massive flat-sucking, this patriotic orgy that the White House keeps whipping up. You know if you criticise the President it’s unpatriotic and there’s something wrong with you, you may be a terrorist. Mick O’Regan: So in that sense, there’s not enough room for dissenting voices? Hunter S. Thompson: There’s plenty of room there’s not just enough people who are willing to take the risk. It’s sort of a herd mentality, a lemming-like mentality. If you don’t go with the flow you’re anti-American and therefore a suspect. And we’ve seen this before, these patriotic frenzies. It’s very convenient having an undeclared war that you can call a war and impose military tribunals and wartime security and we have these generals telling us that this war’s going to go on for a long, long time. Maybe not so much the generals now, the generals are a little afraid of Iraq, a little worried about it, but it’s the civilians in the White House, the gang of thieving, just lobbyists for the military industrial complex, who are running the White House, and to be against them is to be unpatriotic, then hell, call me a traitor. Mick O’Regan: Do you think that most of the American media, or say most of the influential American media has bought that patriotism line, and as a result are self-censoring themselves? Hunter S. Thompson: There you go, self-censorship, yes, that’s a very good point. Yes, I would say that. Now there are always exceptions to that but there’ve been damn few. Yeah. Mick O’Regan: So is it the White House laying down what they think is appropriate journalism, or is it the news media outlets deciding that they have to be patriotic, that they’re under some sort of undeclared duty at the moment, to somehow reflect the patriotism of the American public? Hunter S. Thompson: Well it goes a little deeper than that, because this Administration is well on the road to seizing power, and Tom Dashell, the Senate Democratic leader the other day accused Bush of trying to seize dictatorial powers. Now that was a big breakthrough, and I’m starting to sense that the tide may be turning against the President; we have to beat this bastard one way or another. And the American government is the greatest enemy of freedom around the world that I can think of. And we keep waving that flag, freedom, yes, these people are flag-suckers.

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Mick O’Regan: So at the moment people don’t want to hear that sort of criticism, they want people to rally round the flag and support the military? Hunter S. Thompson: I think that’s right, and I think the reason for that is that they don’t want to hear it because boy, that’s going to be a lot of agonising reappraisal, as they say. What reality is in this country and the world right now. Yes, popular opinion in this country has to be swung over to “the White House is wrong, these people are corporate thieves. They’ve turned the American Dream into a chamber of looting.” It would take a lot of adjustment, mentally.

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Mick O’Regan: You went on to say in that article, which I have in front of me, that ‘even ESPN was broadcasting war news. It was the worst disaster in the history of the United States.’ Do you think that the event completely transformed the way in which Americans see themselves and their own vulnerability?’ Hunter S. Thompson: No, the event by itself wouldn’t have done that. But it was the way the Administration was able to use that event. Even use it as a springboard for everything they wanted to do. And that might tell you something. I remember when I was writing that column you sort of wonder when something like that happens, Well who stands to benefit? Who had the opportunity and the motive? You just kind of look at these basic things, and I don’t know if I want to go into this on worldwide radio here, but – Mick O’Regan: You may as well. Hunter S. Thompson: All right. Well I saw that the US government was going to benefit, and the White House people, the republican administration to take the mind of the public off of the crashing economy. Now you want to keep in mind that every time a person named Bush gets into office, the nation goes into a drastic recession they call it. Mick O’Regan: It seems a very long bow to me, but are you sort of suggesting that this worked in the favour of the Bush Administration? Hunter S. Thompson: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I have spent enough time on the inside of, well in the White House and you know, campaigns and I’ve known enough people who do these things, think this way, to know that the public version of the news or whatever event, is never really what happened.

Audio - http://www.indybay.org/uploads/hunt..._aug29_2002.mp3

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/144645.php

Realplayer audio
http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/med...nters290802.ram

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u need to watch pen and teller bullshit.

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Originally posted by nchs09 u need to watch pen and teller bullshit.

I'm sorry, but I truly fail to understand why you need to respond to every post with a nonsensical one-liner.

Try reading some books and/or doing some research and maybe you could become more enlightened, or at the very least you'd be able to post a cognitive thought.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I'm sorry, but I truly fail to understand why you need to respond to every post with a nonsensical one-liner. Try reading some books and/or doing some research and maybe you could become more enlightened, or at the very least you'd be able to post a cognitive thought.

geez iv never tried to read books....
geez iv never thought of doing research. which by research im sure u mean finding a bunch of idiots who think this is all a conspiracy theory? i think ill pass on your so called "research"

now if you dont understand my one liners.. well what can i say. looks like ur not doing the research. fucking look up the show and which ones they have done.

gimp

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Originally posted by nchs09 geez iv never tried to read books.... geez iv never thought of doing research. which by research im sure u mean finding a bunch of idiots who think this is all a conspiracy theory? i think ill pass on your so called "research" now if you dont understand my one liners.. well what can i say. looks like ur not doing the research. fucking look up the show and which ones they have done. gimp

I was merely talking about trying to improve upon yourself by taking steps towards getting out of your brazenly ignorant, naïvely misconceived state.

And as someone who signs his post "gimp" I'd expect that you'd want to at least try and break free from that wretched stigma.

And BTW, I saw Penn & Teller (it's two N's, by the way) live about 10 years ago and they haven't gotten any better for me to even care about what shows they've been doing - as though that is something of great importance in this world.

Anyway, have fun in your phony reality, Pollyanna. Now please post something at least remotely relevant to the original thread title or just STFU.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I was merely talking about trying to improve upon yourself by taking steps towards getting out of your brazenly ignorant, naïvely misconceived state. And as someone who signs his post "gimp" I'd expect that you'd want to at least try and break free from that wretched stigma. And BTW, I saw Penn & Teller (it's two N's, by the way) live about 10 years ago and they haven't gotten any better for me to even care about what shows they've been doing - as though that is something of great importance in this world. Anyway, have fun in your phony reality, Pollyanna. Now please post something at least remotely relevant to the original thread title or just STFU.

groovy.

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