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Originally posted by DJ Eco well, i actually didnt mean my reply as a reply toward ur review, i actually agree with u 100%, the fact that some1 was there that didnt know who was spinning that night is horrible and a disgrace to clubs..... ....and filoandperi, i agree with u as well about Europe, it is TOTALLY a different mentality, and i would know because i go there every summer for a month or so, and ive been to clubs all over Italy and France, and ur right for the most part about the teens there, they reeeeally go out just to have a blast at nite, meet new people, whatever.... (and i know this wasnt ur point, but im just saying, in general) making it an 21+ changes nothing... Tiesto's music is on the latest Louie Devito and DJ Riddler and Ultra Dance CDs and what not, hes gunna end up drawing a different demographic than he would have a couple years ago, when the only place u culd find his music was on MAGIK CDs and the like.... give the 18-20 age group a chance at least, and if u see some ignorant Gotti wannabes all over Crobar when Paul van Dyk comes to town, THEN i'll be the first to say "hmmm.... u guys were right i guess, these ppl have no idea whats going on".... but some ppl just have to start NOT caring about other ppl around them, and give up the elitist mentality.... when RIDGEWALKERS feat. EL's "find" is on the sound system at CROBAR, lose urself in the song, dont think about the juicehead next to u thats calling it "techno"... is that so hard?

hm i see this shit every weekend... just be POLITE... that's at the root of my problems with people. whether it's a spilled drink, a hard elbow to the midsection, being stepped on by high heels, at least apologize. sorry, but little things can affect the rest of your night. i don't mind being tapped on the shoulder to clear a path for someone. i do mind being rubbed up against if a person wants to move past me... yuck. the ignorant thing is not as big a deal to me

well yea, u have a really good point there, no1 can really counter that, so i agree with u there, i guess the little things like that can make a night out suck.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco sorry guys, i dont wanna start trouble or nething, so dont take me apart on this comment..... BUT...... it seems like a whole lot of u guys are growing up, and just being very very elitist about it. when u were 18, im sure u have the same stance as i do now.... if it were 21+, it would be the same, perhaps with just OLDER juiceheads and guidos and what not. Tiesto's music has been all over KTU and whatever "dance" CDs u can find, so i dont think its a matter of 18 y/o's ruining the vibe, its the fact that ppl are being fed the name Tiesto and nothing else other than Tiesto.... ask these KTU people who Paul van Dyk is, they dont know, when in reality, theyre both at the same level of fame, not to mention, some of PvD's tracks are worthy of play on KTU ("crush" anyone?)... its just what theyre fed, that makes them ignorant.... look at Europe... the clubs there are 18+, the huge festivals are 18+, many people there are dressed as guidos as well or what some ppl call "eurotrash", i think its totally unfair to just say parties shouldnt be 18+, when in reality, Louie Devito's following has branched out to the sounds of Tiesto. they love the dark mysterious tech-trance of "traffic" but dont bother to hear songs by Katana or Marcel Woods or Sam Sharp.... they like the nice techy song "obsession", yet dont bother to realise that there are songs better than that by the likes of Max Walder, Mauro Picotto, and hundreds of other tech producers......

+1
I also think people shouldn't judge one's maturity by their age.
Age does not have a defiant role on one. But whatever. Ignorance enpowers the world most of the time.

Tiesto played a nice set.
Serge Devant played even better. (post Tiesto set)

In regards to Filo & Peri's post:
I also agree with you on your post, how kids our generation sometimes and most always tend to have to act "tough" and gain face by proving he's "tough". I myself just think that is very silly. I go out to have fun. I go out to enjoy the DJ that travels from somewhere outside of the US to drop a 2-4 hour set. I go out for the love of the scene and the music. I'm not out looking for a fight to prove to my boys I'm tough. It sickens me that type of crowd ruins the scene for us who are not a part of that group and is out merely to enjoy the live dj set by Tiesto and other various DJs.

If PvD is marked 21+, because of the vibe Crobar had yesterday, it is truely unfair to those who are not a part of this bullshit trend that these guidos seem to have to abide by for some strange f#cking reason. (yes, I'm mad) haha

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Last edited by neon on Feb-25-2005 at 03:45

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Originally posted by neon +1 I also think people shouldn't judge one's maturity by their age. Age does not have a defiant role on one. But whatever. Ignorance enpowers the world most of the time. Tiesto played a nice set. Serge Devant played even better. (post Tiesto set)

definite = defiant?

but age does play a big part. there's that aura of invinicibility about you when you're 18. wow i can buy cigs/porn/have my own credit card... 21+ put things into perspective. health, careers, etc. age does play a big part into one's maturity.

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Originally posted by trunks1022 definite = defiant? but age does play a big part. there's that aura of invinicibility about you when you're 18. wow i can buy cigs/porn/have my own credit card... 21+ put things into perspective. health, careers, etc. age does play a big part into one's maturity.

haha, that's true.. that's true.
But it doesn't always judge one's maturity character.

i mean:
Does he/she knows his/her right wrongs?
Does he/she knows his/her actions might lead to sufferable consequences?
Does he/she being 21- in a club mean that he/she must be inmature, acts tough and is only out for the hype of the party, and not for the love the dj and the scene?

damn, do i make sense? lolol

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Originally posted by neon haha, that's true.. that's true. But it doesn't always judge one's maturity character. i mean: Does he/she knows his/her right wrongs? Does he/she knows his/her actions might lead to sufferable consequences? Does he/she being 21- in a club mean that he/she must be inmature, acts tough and is only out for the hype of the party, and not for the love the dj and the scene? damn, do i make sense? lolol

u're thinking about morality for the first two then. and as for three, sometimes yes? it's... wow i'm at a fucking party!!!!!

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Originally posted by trunks1022 u're thinking about morality for the first two then.

haha, then I think I'm trying to stress morality of an individual under 21.
eh whatever. lol i'll just go out and party for the next two years and just deal with the critism and ignorance.

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Originally posted by BitchBoyNYC Very well put. Listen, Maybe I wasn't clear in my previous post, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH CLUBS BEING 18+ IF THE PEOPLE GOING KNOW WHO THEY ARE GOING TO SEE!!!! My bro is 18 and some of his friends are the same age are are interested in checking out the scene FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. I remember what it was like when I was under 21 and I hated the fact that many parties were 21+. Yes it is true that there are many 21+ peeps that have no fuckin idea what is going on in the club and are there to show off their cut bodies and try to pick up some girl/guy for the night. From my perspective, it seems that the 18+ crowd has more peeps than a 21+ crowd to fit this category. And those of you who are not 21+ can't compare because you have no idea what it's like at a 21+ event. All I can say is wait until you get to the 21+ age group and then check out the 18+ parties & the 21+ parties and see the differencees so that then you can see what we're talking about. We ain't trying to hate on you. it's just that there's quite a few "bad apples that ruin the bunch". Edit: BTW, when PVD comes to Crobar in April, it's probably gonna be an 18+ event & Paul will probably tear shit up just like Tiesto did. It seems like Crobar is making Friday night parties 18+ events. Sasha & Zabiela are going to be 18+ as well.

There is something about 18+ events in NYC thats different than other places... I think most of the people from 18 - 20 use it as an opportunity to hit up the happening club since they otherwise can't. Since Crobar is the number 1 club in the city right now, it gets hit pretty hard when they drop the age limit. Unless I have a solid group of friends going to an 18+ events, I definitely avoid them.

You go to the clubs in Toronto and they're all 19+, and you never get crowd problems like what people are describing here.

-Your Mother

imo its not the age, but its the fact that things done repeatedly get boring...

drugs
clubbing
drinking
video games

its all the same...

If the drinking age was 25 people 21 would behave the same way 18 year olds do...

dont kid yourself...

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Originally posted by Your Mother Since Crobar is the number 1 club in the city right now, it gets hit pretty hard when they drop the age limit.

exactly....not even a month has passed since Crobar has done their first 18+, of course ur gunna get the fools that are going there JUST to go there.... wait it out, be patient, all the ignorant 18-20 y/o's are just getting it out of their system, trying to discover what this whole "myth" known as Crobar was... they went to Sasha's night, saw it was a great club, saw that Tiesto was there (some1 they actually know a lil about, a LIL about lol) and decided to go there, just wait it out, and as the parties keep coming, they will have gotten it out of their system.... most of u are just talking impulsively.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco exactly....not even a month has passed since Crobar has done their first 18+, of course ur gunna get the fools that are going there JUST to go there.... wait it out, be patient, all the ignorant 18-20 y/o's are just getting it out of their system, trying to discover what this whole "myth" known as Crobar was... they went to Sasha's night, saw it was a great club, saw that Tiesto was there (some1 they actually know a lil about, a LIL about lol) and decided to go there, just wait it out, and as the parties keep coming, they will have gotten it out of their system.... most of u are just talking impulsively.

just to be a part of the hype.

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