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Originally posted by Blue Balls Read Ishkur definition of it. those are my thoughts exactly.

Yes, your thoughts. I'm sorry, but opinion doesn't equal fact. If I was to say that yellow is a bad colour because it is too bright, that doesn't make me 100% correct. Nor does it give me the right to belittle the opinions of others in such an elitist show of disdain.

I could just as easily say "House is dead", "Rock is dead", "Techno is dead", if I preferred the way they once sounded. It doesn't necessarily mean that is the case...

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Originally posted by Ory Bias.

Hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by nwopper What's wrong with Trance anyway?

That the music managed to fester for a few years longer had nothing to do with its value or self-worth, but rather its pop accessibility. Audiences not keen on earlier trance in its bizarre, spacey, repetitive, unresponsive ethereal state could now enjoy it at the top40 level due to its easily memorable hooks and pop melodies. When that happened, there was the big rave explosion, in concert with the rise of Big Beat and French/club house. But the music itself was so shallow and unfulfilling that those who engorged themselves on it eventually grew tired when it lost its effect on them. Hence the "9 month raving career" paradigm.They simply burnt out and left. The only thing that kept it going, then, was the influx of newbies. More people were coming into the scene than going out of it, and this hyper-inflated the status of the DJs and the value of the music to ridiculous proportions. Like the dot-com bubble, any trend this flimsy was bound to come crashing down like a house of cards, as soon as it reached its saturation point.


That critical mass came in 2001. Much of the genre's elite fled, going instead to house or progressive or other, low-key scenes. The rest decided to go for bigger, fuller, more euphoric anthems. Like a drug, the emotional effect of last month's hit anthem keeps wearing off, so each track they release has to up the dosage to maintain the high and to keep the few remaining stragglers clinging to it.

People's tolerance for anthem trance is now extraordinarily high, which is why the big, overblown supersaw Dutch anthems have to keep getting bigger and more euphoric to maintain their interest. As you can guess, this simply cannot last, and the anthem trance producers are simply working on borrowed time.

I blame Oakenfold for all of this, the poster boy for the pop trance movement, the Emperor wearing no clothes thinking he's the shit, the DJ who can't mix pretending he's the best at it. He turned the scene into a fucking concert. Show up, watch the DJ, buy the CD. Consume, and go home. Be a passive spectator, instead of a participant. The DJ no longer exists for the scene, the scene now exists for the DJ. He is what matters. No one else.





-Source Ishkur



Soooo true ~~

BTW Tiesto is the new Oakenfold

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wow I do actually agree with some of what that guy said, about the whole, "its all about the DJ", back when I used to go, it was about hearing great music, now it really is like a concert, and many just going just for the fact its a big celebrity DJ.

As for his views on anthem/dutch trance, saying about people wanting it to be bigger and have massive supersaws, if people were like this and only wanted it to get bigger and better, how come most of us would enjoy a mix from say 1998, when you can listen to something new with some massive supersaws, I see that there was more to it than that, they just seemed IMO that they just had a better mood to the music, almost like it had a soul, where as most of todays music seems very flat sounding and has no life, but this is just my opinion.

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Originally posted by DannyO As for his views on anthem/dutch trance, saying about people wanting it to be bigger and have massive supersaws, if people were like this and only wanted it to get bigger and better, how come most of us would enjoy a mix from say 1998, when you can listen to something new with some massive supersaws

I think you are misunderstanding his point.

Let me try to explain

Epic Dutch trance in 1998 had a very similar format and sound as it does today ( this is the reason why people that like dutch trance today can listen to old dutch trance).

However, dutch trance has not moved forward musically, it just grew from its core ( i.e. the emotional breakdown). As a result it could be catorgized as Dutch Trance.

Ishkur correctly states that listeners of Dutch Trance only feel that the music is moving forward because of the extension of the breakdown or grandious emotional flare that grows with time.

This extension of the break down and/or its emotional flare , according to Ishkur, is the massive commericalization and cheesiness of Dutch Trance. I agree 100%. This is the definition of cheese. You take a format that works, dutch trance 1998, and you change it a little bit every year to continue to appeal to the same type of listeners.


Of course there are new instruments used to make Dutch Trance but the fact remains that the core of Dutch trance remains the same. This is why you can compare a dutch trance song from 1998 to 2005 and not find many differences expect for the instruments used. Same structure. Same emotion. Same format. Etc.


Ishkur correctly says that typically it takes 9 months of extensive Dutch Trance listening to realize this 'recelyed' nature of the music.

This is why its hard for part-time listeners or half-ass music people to understand the nature of dutch trance or dance music altogther.

People typical move past Dutch Trance once they 'mature' out of the genre. They begin to understand its nature and discover its commericalism each passing year.

The music has 'grown' in listeners because more newer virgin listeners are entering as expereinced listeners become sick of it. Eventually, everyone will finally recongize its recycled nature. this cycle can not continue forever.

Thus you have a 'virgin effect'. Listeners new to Dutch Trance or Trance say ' OMG this is great' but people fimilar with Trance or the genre are like ' I heard this before,what a rip off, this sucks' Eventually as people become more familar with dutch trance,the sheep will leave the flock or realize what it is not.

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Originally posted by Az yeah mike foyle killed trance

im gonna start a mike foyle killed trance thread

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Explain to me where and/or how the guide is a joke. I can see the Ferry Corsten comment as something to upset a few TA's but everything else is pretty accurate. Prove me wrong. Seriosuly. Show me where the guide is wrong.

Who the fuck do you think you are, you scrote?

Ferry Corsten is one of the pioneers of club trance, he pulled alot of money into the industry via alot of his bigger tracks. If you ask me, it's the kids who tried to imitate corsten's 99 sound that killed trance and made it stale, not corsten himself.

go take your face for a shit you condescending piece of muck....UKTA? like fuck.

scrote.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 im gonna start a mike foyle killed trance thread

Yes, that'd be cool as fuck.

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Ishkur correctly says that typically it takes 9 months of extensive Dutch Trance listening to realize this 'recelyed' nature of the music. This is why its hard for part-time listeners or half-ass music people to understand the nature of dutch trance or dance music altogther. People typical move past Dutch Trance once they 'mature' out of the genre. They begin to understand its nature and discover its commericalism each passing year. The music has 'grown' in listeners because more newer virgin listeners are entering as expereinced listeners become sick of it. Eventually, everyone will finally recongize its recycled nature. this cycle can not continue forever. Thus you have a 'virgin effect'. Listeners new to Dutch Trance or Trance say ' OMG this is great' but people fimilar with Trance or the genre are like ' I heard this before,what a rip off, this sucks' Eventually as people become more familar with dutch trance,the sheep will leave the flock or realize what it is not.

Unbelievable. You exactly described my musical development towards dutch trance music. Even the period to realize the recycled nature of current trance music is almost accurate.

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Originally posted by George Kendall go take your face for a shit you condescending piece of muck....UKTA? like fuck. scrote.

It's actually Dave Piazza.