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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Superfluous or not, you cannot defend keeping her alive based on religious principle because there is no mention of life support in the Bible. Therefore, it is a MORAL DECISION, not a religious one. Of course, you could argue that your morals are based on your religion, but then you would also have to present a definition of murder based on your religion. No one is murdering Schiavo. She is dying because she cannot survive without a feeding tube. Therefore, she is dying on her own. That's death, not murder. Oh, but you WERE a part of your mother... for nine whole months! You couldn't have survived on your own as a fetus. Therefore, you were part of your mother. Deductive reasoning.

Both cases are quite similar, and debating over this issue in this thread's no use, as I reckon this is not the main point. However, if you read your reply again, you will see that this is, nothing but your opinion which has some reasoning.

However, others don't necessarily share the same thought you do. They do have their own reasoning as well, but the difference in key points leads to these disagreements. Being irate won't convince anyone that their opinion might be wrong, but will rather make them defend their views more fiercely.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher A majority of people in my country can't possibly disagree with me because I refuse to take a stance one way or the other. I can see where pro-life supporters make valid points and I can see where pro-choice supporters make valid points. Once again, I don't have a uterus, so I don't feel like I have a say in the matter. That's not what this thread is about, anyway. This thread is about my anger at people who try to force their views on other people when they aren't even their views. People look to their religion for answers instead of trying to come up with intelligent answers of their own.

Fair enough than, I'm focusing in your two last sentences then.

First of all, it is their view. We all get our views out of something. Just because they share/acquired the same view from a book, it is not a reason not to validate their thought. They do think that way, full stop. Probably you got your view from the mentality that arose from the French Revolution, of individual freedom and whatnot. You may even have elaborated your thought from what you've read, comparing to other sources, but so have they (or some of them).

Therefore, your point would probably fall here. It's their view, and they're trying to force it on others, which seems to be quite similar to your anger. I can't say more about it because, as we know, I'm not you

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Whether it's moral and whether it's legal are two entirely separate issues in the case of gay marriage. Take the United States, for example. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize people of color and give them rights legally equal to those of everyone else. As a nation, we have chosen to recognize men and women as equals and subsequently given women more legal rights. As a nation, we have even chosen to recognize that not all people have the same sexual preference. Where are their rights, now? Oh, shit. Glaring contradiction, anyone? When it's all said and done... what it comes down to is this...

Life's full of contradictions, and that's one of them. We could work on that as well, if you want.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher Without religion, everyone would be equal. Every war, every legal decision, every national debate that we have EVER had has some root in religion.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. First of all, we're not all equal. That's the thought that emerged in modern times in Europe and has shaped contemporary European culture (I'm using "Europe" as an umbrella term for both the old continent and its former colonies, so the both of us would be Europeans in this broader sense). Not only there's hierarchy, but we're in completely different enviroments. The same laws shouldn't be applied to both of us, for example.

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