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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I honestly don't have the sentiment to care about holidays in their holy sense. I give gifts and eat turkey at Christmas, but I don't pray, I don't celebrate Jesus, I don't go to church, and I don't sing Christmas carols. I hung out with my Bahai friend on Yamaha(sp?) and had dinner with him, but I didn't fast or pray or anything. There's nothing wrong with deviating from tradition. If tradition brings knowledge and fun, then great (like Christmas and Easter... they can be lots of fun without any religious aspects to them), but I'm not going to fast during Ramadan or Lent or something just because tradition dictates that I should, and if my parents or family have a problem with that, then it's their problem. Take the good; get rid of the bad; and enjoy life. You can always learn something from other cultures.

oh most definitely...u were born with freedom of opinion...but i guess what i tried to say is...the meaning behind any day of celebration is lacking if ur not of the faith and practicing it....so when theres lack in meaning on one side of the fence, then theres really no bond in a deeper sense of belonging....

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what i would really like ot know is....all of u who "cherish" atheism and condemn theist, waht exactly do u find ur purpose in life to be?? just a simple quetion....to elaborate on it, what exactly are u living for?

I'll admit that many of the basic ideals of religion is portrayed in Canadian Law, for example, it is both a "sin" and a crime to take someone's life. But this is only one of the first things you learn about in a Law History class. Religion is one of three major foundations of our laws today, so if i'm a law-abiding citezen, it shouldn't be that different then a person who is religious because of the morals value.

And in answer to your question: What are you living for? God? I'm living because I know that someday, i'm going to die. And there's really nothing I can do about it.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I'm against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with me being brought up as a catholic. Actually...I'm more against them having kids. Let gays get married for all I care.

I disagree with you there, with them not being able to raise kids, but i dont wanna turn this thread into a debate about that matter

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Oh, and you're not supposed to take the Bible literally.

Hehehehe, try telling that to some of the hardcore bible people down in NC in Rally/Durham where i was (read that as most of the ppl i encountered when down there). They'd flame you alive for speaking such words.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar there is no purpose in life. u were born, therefore u exist. i dont see why ppl NEED a find a purpose in life for life to have meaning. u are alive now, so live ur life as much and as fully as u want, bc when ur dead ur dead and u no longer exist and cannot experice jack. make of life u what u feel u wanna. i dont belief in any higher purpose to anything and i dont see why that concept is so dismal or downhearting to so many other ppl. i just enjoy life as it hits me. EDIT: Same goes for death. i guess the idea of living on in heaven or being reincarnated or whutever is a very nice way to look at things.. and gives ppl hope and whutever in life. me, i dont believe in that stuff... once ur dead, ur dead. u nolonger are apart of ANYTHING... but i fall to see whut that scares ppl so much. it dont scare or bother me at all... its just the way it is and i dont see why that should be upsetting... and to worry about it doesnt even really make much sense to me since its not like ull regret it after the fact since ull be dead and hence its a moot point therefore. dont interpret that as me not caring if i die, id like to of course keep on living and having fun w/ my friends and hearing blissfull music and all the other joys of life... i just meant the prospect of existing no longer once u die is not a terrifying or unsettling concept to me.

Man is an arrogant creature. We inherantly WANT to believe that we are somehow a SPECIAL species. The truth is we're not. We're just like any other animals. We're made of chemicals. When we die, those chemicals are recycled. In fact, the chemicals in your body constantly get recycled (about every 7 years or so)... there are essentially no molecules in your body right now that were in your body when you were born.

When I die, the chemicals in my brain will decompose and become worm food. Like Jem said, I still want to live (it's human nature to want to live), but it's not so mysterious a thing as people make it out to be. Because humans can self-actualize (ie they know that they exist), they consequently cannot fathom the lack of self-actualization that death results in. When you die, you lose your sense of self, and humans can't fathom what it's like to not know that they exist. Therefore they get perplexed by death.

On a totally unrelated note, where is DigiNut? He of all people should be giving nice long rants in a thread like this...

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie And in answer to your question: What are you living for? God? I'm living because I know that someday, i'm going to die. And there's really nothing I can do about it.

so u live to die.....alright....cheers to u...


quality of life doesnt mean ANYTHING to u does it?

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the main reason why catholics dont support gay "marriage" is because homosexuality itself is not accepted by our faith since woman was made to be man's companion for life.

Why?

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I have a friend who's father is a retired pastor. He has recently turned to liking people of the same sex as he, and has had to hide this from his family (with great difficulty, i may add). His parents have always wanted to participate in a religious marriage, which any religious person is entitled to. Now, he's a person. Just like me, and just like you. Why should his sexual preference dictate whiether or not he is allowed to be married in a church?

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee oh most definitely...u were born with freedom of opinion...but i guess what i tried to say is...the meaning behind any day of celebration is lacking if ur not of the faith and practicing it....so when theres lack in meaning on one side of the fence, then theres really no bond in a deeper sense of belonging....

Why does the celebration have to be meaningful? Why does there have to be a deeper sense of belonging? Does that make it more fun? IMO, it just fulfills a need that is created by the culture itself. The catholic religion creates the need to go to church and pray, so you fulfill that need by doing so.

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quality of life doesnt mean ANYTHING to u does it?

I've enhanced my quality of life 'cuz i'm not devoting it to something that may or may not exist.

plus i can sleep in on Sundays

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Why does the celebration have to be meaningful? Why does there have to be a deeper sense of belonging? Does that make it more fun? IMO, it just fulfills a need that is created by the culture itself. The catholic religion creates the need to go to church and pray, so you fulfill that need by doing so.

going back into celebrations, for example, a practicing catholic rejoices teh fact that God was born and lived amongst his people as compared to one who doesnt practice and celebrates santa claus and exchanging gifts without knowing the significance

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee If 2 people of the same sex really want to be together, then why dont they jsut practice common law?? its as good as being married....why get the whole religious ceremony?

But its not only a religious ceremoy... in canada you can be married by a Justice of the Peace... u do not need to make it a religious affair at all in anymeans

i know when i get married it certainly wont be by a religous figure head. ill be going to a justice of the peace and married by the state/province/whutever

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie plus i can sleep in on Sundays

most churches have evening mass

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Originally posted by DJ_Bananie Why? ANECDOTE: I have a friend who's father is a retired pastor. He has recently turned to liking people of the same sex as he, and has had to hide this from his family (with great difficulty, i may add). His parents have always wanted to participate in a religious marriage, which any religious person is entitled to. Now, he's a person. Just like me, and just like you. Why should his sexual preference dictate whiether or not he is allowed to be married in a church?

I suppose that's because it's what the church stands for. A gay person who wants to get married in the Catholic church is like a black guy who wants to join the Ku Klux Klan.

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