It's kind of sad that this whole "Star Wars" club of die hard premier people now have nothing to wait for now. LOTR never got people waiting for weeks, I wonder what will be the new saga to draw such a devoted fan base, I don't think there will ever be another.

...And I was at the 1977 opening day.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy No. You've missed my point. Good characters are defined by not being static in what they display of their character during the story. As I outlined above, all characters deeper than one dimension undergo a change in their personality or demeanor as a result of plot elements. And no, they are not 'human' archtypes, they are plot driven archtypes. The standard 'evil' character is not based on human traits because what human will without conscience blow up an entire planet [vader], or want to conquer a continent only to inflict pain and suffering on the populace [sauron]? That is pretty much the depth of both of those characters in their respective series and all that is needed to understand them in both the lord of the rings and star wars, which is why I outlined them as one dimensional.

Dude, how is Anakin Skywalker static throughout this last episode? Plz explain that to me...he undergoes change which is precisely one of your reaons of criteria for a "good character" no?

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agreed.

You'll be hard pressed to find a greater character arc than...

golden child -> master jedi -> dark sith lord

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Dude, how is Anakin Skywalker static throughout this last episode? Plz explain that to me...he undergoes change which is precisely one of your reaons of criteria for a "good character" no?

I agree with that, he does undergo many changes and is a fairly strong character in ep 3. My original post said lucas can't write characters for shit in a general way, meaning most of his characters are only lightly sketched out and one dimensional. But in episodes 1,2 & 4,5,6, what changes does Anakin go thru really? So he goes back to the light side after a quick change in episode 6....But what else really? This is part of the reason why I had such high hopes for the new trilogy, because it had the potential of being very dramatic series, showing a tragic character's fall from grace, which is something you don't see much outside of classic novels and plays anymore.

The one thing you have to appreciate, is the fact that it is impossible to write a good story without some level of depth in your main character. Without it, an audience cannot empathize with their plight, so having Anakin go through such a dramatic changes was almost a given. And to be fair, the way lucas did that was quite good, but aside from episode 3, I have not seen a single character with a great deal of depth.

That and his script writing is still terrible.


I'll still tell anyone to go see episode 3 though.

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Originally posted by ++ EGO ++ yeah I saw it on opening day... I could care less for star wars, I think g.l. shoulda left that series along time ago. When the poster designs and cheesy cut transitions went out of style that is.. anyway, it was stupid. Some people died, some people lived.. lucas buys a new yacht.. whatever... *looking forward for the Tony Scott projects!!

hey!!! i like those posters, that guys a craaaaaaazy artist...hes done a shitload of movie posters over the past 30 some odd years

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I dunno, we just saw it last night, and I guess its just me, but I didnt really enjoy this one all that much at all. My buddy said it was exactly whut he expected too... which just means it was ok and thats how he figured it was gonna be.

Loved Episode II much much much more!

I almost kinda wish I'd waited and we'd all just rented it and watched it on our 60 inch TV at home!

~jem~

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar Loved Episode II much much much more! ~jem~

really? Episode II had its good moments but the originals and Episode III are in a league of their own compared to the first two prequels. I don't think anything in the entire saga matched the drama of the moments leading up to the final Obi Wan/Anakin duel.

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**spoilers below**

just watched it last nite ..

it's obvious to me now that George Lucas spent more time worrying about special effects than he did about the plot and/or acting.


just as some reviews had indicated, the story moved way too fast since he wasted an entire movie with Episode I, there were too many plotlines to resolve in the last film which felt like watching the movie on speed. Padme pregnant at the start and giving birth by the end. Perhaps he should have started the trilogy off at EP2 which would have left more time to focus on Anakin's character developement and his turn to the darkside which I believe is what everyone wanted to see in the first place. The whole story from EP1 could have been condensed and told within the first 20 minutes of the movie.


My conclusion, George Lucas is no longer the visionary he once was, rather a businessman.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL **spoilers below** just watched it last nite .. it's obvious to me now that George Lucas spent more time worrying about special effects than he did about the plot and/or acting. just as some reviews had indicated, the story moved way too fast since he wasted an entire movie with Episode I, there were too many plotlines to resolve in the last film which felt like watching the movie on speed. Padme pregnant at the start and giving birth by the end. Perhaps he should have started the trilogy off at EP2 which would have left more time to focus on Anakin's character developement and his turn to the darkside which I believe is what everyone wanted to see in the first place. The whole story from EP1 could have been condensed and told within the first 20 minutes of the movie. My conclusion, George Lucas is no longer the visionary he once was, rather a businessman.

but the vast majority of the reviews are positive, despite some concerns over editing. In the end, the good outweights the bad. I agree that all Episode I did was establish the very BASIC plot lines of the trilogy.

I also felt that some scenes felt rushed and a little chopped up...but that's always been his editing style. People claimed that Episode 1 and 2 were boring...so he responded witht an action packed, fast moving finale and now people STILL complain. The acting was much improved in my opinion...and in key moments, the actors really delivered. I'm sure everyone who has seen it knows what scenes I'm talking about too. If you're a real Star Wars fan, those moments at least had to give you some goosebumps.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but the vast majority of the reviews are positive, despite some concerns over editing. In the end, the good outweights the bad. I agree that all Episode I did was establish the very BASIC plot lines of the trilogy. I also felt that some scenes felt rushed and a little chopped up...but that's always been his editing style. People claimed that Episode 1 and 2 were boring...so he responded witht an action packed, fast moving finale and now people STILL complain. The acting was much improved in my opinion...and in key moments, the actors really delivered. I'm sure everyone who has seen it knows what scenes I'm talking about too. If you're a real Star Wars fan, those moments at least had to give you some goosebumps.

the vast majority of reviews are positive given the fact that it's being compared to EP1, and EP2 which don't exactly set the bar very high..

Starwars is like one of those things where if you can't do it right, u shouldn't even touch it .. i always hoped that if he ever came out with the new trilogy it could be something that was marvelled on its own as a great achievement. it's unfortunate that it had to fall short in certain areas. sometimes i think to myself whether it would have been better for him not to hav made the new trilogy at all given the way it was going to turn out. or perhaps he could have taken another approach by getting someone else to direct it while he focused strictly on the CGI aspects since that what it seems he did anyway.

in terms of the acting, i don't think i can agree with you there. it was better than the first 2 without a doubt, but we're not talking about a quantum leap here either. i remember at one point in the movie, Natalie Portman's acting was so bad and her lines so poorly worded, the entire theatre started laughing.. i literally cringed at the sight. i couldn't feel any chemistry between her and Hayden Christiansen at all, save a few moments this time around (in EP2 it was completely lacking).

atleast it's done now. time to start to come to terms with it. but as far as continuity goes, the originals i will always hold in its own high regard apart from these. it's difficult to even try and associate the two.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL the vast majority of reviews are positive given the fact that it's being compared to EP1, and EP2 which don't exactly set the bar very high..

But the very first movies, episodes 4-6, did set the bar fairly high.

Natalie Portman did a horrible job in this movie. Haydn was so so, sometimes seaming sinister and other times just seaming like he was trying too hard.

The movie itself was: EP1 + EP2 < EP3. They should have just made a single prequel and this movie seamed cluttered. They tried to fit in everything that was left unanswered or that was going to link this movie with the others. Dying Padme, who didn't even know she was having twins, is able to spit their names out with one last breath. Worth my 10 bucks just for Yoda getting his lightsaber on but not even worth a second look.

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