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M@t
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Newcastle

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
My problem with the idea, is that if you follow the bible to the letter, that is exactly what it promotes...so if you're gonna say you're christian but you dont think gays will burn in hell...then...well you're going against the word of god...

...which means you will burn in hell aswell lol

btw Jamie:



If God created homosexuality then how can it be a sin?

Clearly the bible was written in a much more conservative age, and needs a fucking update if they wanna keep people interested. Catholicism is holding this back

Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:26  England
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NiteMer
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Denver, CO

quote:
Originally posted by *InVeRs3*
Homosexuality isn't even a damn sin. It's all a bible misinterpretation, i'm forgetting the whole story but i'll post it up when i find it. And why the fuck is it bad to do buttsex anyway?

Priests molest kids, yeah like what? 1%?

Last time I checked, sperm aren't living or sentient, neither are eggs.

Most Christians in my area don't really care if you follow the Koran. And what's bad about it?

Israel doesn't belong to the Jews. Mexico doesn't belong to the Mexicans. There should be no boarders.


Not all Christians believe in what the RIGHT WING church does.


I want to see you back homosexuality not being a sin, in scripture. On the other hand, it's no worse a sin than when I lie, or swear, or fornicate with a woman. I think it's pretty clear that sodomy is not acceptable to God, but it's not any worse than the sins we commit on a daily basis.


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Moral Hazard
Oppressing the 99%



Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%

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Originally posted by dj tek
well, i was raised a roman catholic up until i was about 13, thats when i disassociated myself from all religion. ive realized that i need to research and study different type of religion before i can accept something of my own. yes i was raised as a catholic, but how do i know that is it for ME ? i stated going to church before i can make decisions on my own for just about anything. so i think its very unfair to force ANY religion on a child. i believe something so holy as practicing a certain religion, should be a judgement made individually rather than forced on by family based on history.


Good luck to you. I did the same thing, starting when I was 12. What I meant to say in my post is that I think any religious teaching should be done only after the child is of an age where he can explore all religions and decide what is right for them. By raising a child in one religion it is inevitable that they will always identify with that religion.... especially in the bad times, the times when one needs their faith the most. As much as I wish you luck and hope you find what you are looking for I can almost certainly predict you will end up either remaining a Roman Catholic or at the very least a christian.... more likely protestant then Orthodoxed.


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you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:28  Canada
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M@t
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Newcastle

quote:
Originally posted by placebo
No one has been able to prove either case.


Thats because its unprovable, thats why i referred to your "question" as a rhetorical statement

Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:29  England
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Clovis
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles

quote:
Originally posted by M@t
If God created homosexuality then how can it be a sin?

Clearly the bible was written in a much more conservative age, and needs a fucking update if they wanna keep people interested. Catholicism is holding this back



So why keep the bible then...why not just say...i believe in a God, a higher power and throw that completely dated piece of writing out the window?

You guys are right...the bible does need an update, in fact, in needs a complete re-work so that it actually makes some fucking sense...


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Mr. Pink
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Atlanta, bitchezzz
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quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
You guys are right...the bible does need an update, in fact, in needs a complete re-work so that it actually makes some fucking sense...
would the update include picture pop-ups?



speaking of pictures, I went to the super market about a month ago, and was laughin my ass off.......ok i was high, but i stumbled upon a bible......................FOR COLORED PEOPLE.

a bible specifically designed for colored people


jesus was black, and so were all the children around him.

i couldnt help laughing.

it's like- woah, they're really targeting certain demographics here.

next we'll see- The Bible- for queers


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Moral Hazard
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Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by *InVeRs3*
And like I said before gay=sin is a misinterpretation which i'm still looking for.


It comes from the story of Soddam. The men of the town attempted to rape an angel so Yahweh destroyed the city. From this story rose the belief that God destroyed Soddam because it was full of homosexuals. I find it odd that people automatically assumed that homosexuality was the sin as opposed to rape. In my mind it would seem that rape is the bigger offence.


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Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:32  Canada
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*InVeRs3*
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quote:
Originally posted by NiteMer
I want to see you back homosexuality not being a sin, in scripture. On the other hand, it's no worse a sin than when I lie, or swear, or fornicate with a woman. I think it's pretty clear that sodomy is not acceptable to God, but it's not any worse than the sins we commit on a daily basis.


Yeah, I'm still looking for where I found out about misinterpretations.


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NiteMer
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Denver, CO

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
My problem with the idea, is that if you follow the bible to the letter, that is exactly what it promotes...so if you're gonna say you're christian but you dont think gays will burn in hell...then...well you're going against the word of god...

...which means you will burn in hell aswell lol

btw Jamie:



Find me a verse in the bible that says gays are going to burn in hell. We are all sinners, and salvation is a gift that must be accepted. Committing a certain sin doesn't mean we're going to burn in hell. That's a misconception, furthered by fanatics that misinterpret the word and focus on the wrong points.


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Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:35 
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M@t
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Newcastle

quote:
Originally posted by NiteMer
Find me a verse in the bible that says gays are going to burn in hell. We are all sinners, and salvation is a gift that must be accepted. Committing a certain sin doesn't mean we're going to burn in hell. That's a misconception, furthered by fanatics that misinterpret the word and focus on the wrong points.


That burn in hell bit was used by the church in the old days to get money out of people imo. Do religions still advocate that way of thinking these days?

Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:38  England
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Moral Hazard
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%

quote:
Originally posted by NiteMer
Find me a verse in the bible that says gays are going to burn in hell. We are all sinners, and salvation is a gift that must be accepted. Committing a certain sin doesn't mean we're going to burn in hell. That's a misconception, furthered by fanatics that misinterpret the word and focus on the wrong points.


Better challenge.... find a passage in the bible that refers to "burning" in hell. This idea of burning and hell being made of fire and brimstone comes from Daunte's Inferno... "the pain shall be as if one's flesh were burning without end".... the bible makes no mention of fire, burning, or stone. The only thing the bible really says about hell is that it is outside of the sight and love of God.


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Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Old Post Jun-22-2005 17:38  Canada
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Mr. Pink
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Atlanta, bitchezzz
Rasta

check this out

i could rape 20 billion children

kill 20 billion people

stomp on newborn kittens

and fart really loudly


and before dying all i have to say is "sorry"

oh, and i have to REALLY mean it

REALLLLLLLLLY mean it.....and i can go to heaven.

God rules


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