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Originally posted by Spacey Orange 3. the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.

That's pretty scary. You're basically saying that since the free democracy of the UK didn't decide to vote out a PM that went against the wishes of the terrorist world, it's okay for those citizens to be bombed? So we should modify our voting practices to make sure they are in accord with what the terrorist community wants? And if the citizens of a country don't vote in favor of terrorists, they are no longer "innocent," and deserving of retaliation? I really hope that's not what you meant.

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Originally posted by Ian^ Blair genuinely cares for this country, he nearly had tears in his eyes when giving the speech.

A lot of people would kill for a leader like that. In spite of his problems in Britain, I have the utmost respect for Tony Blair. He was stuck between a rock (the US) and a hard place (the EU) with Iraq, but he still remains devoted to things that others nations or leaders won't. Like the good of his people. Internationally, namely what is being discussed at this year's G8. I feel sick that his international legacy that he could have carved out at this summit may be ruined. Sick not only for him, but for the good he has tried to do.

This was not just an attack against London. It was an attack against country and culture. It was an attack on the West and on Africa. It was an attack on the environment. It was an attack on prosperity. It was an attack on the concept of helping thy neighbor and not fearing him.

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Originally posted by Q5echo sounds like you suffer from asymetrical skepticism. probably brought on by acute ideological myopia combined, in part, with your mild fear of the unknown. ...or you may have syphilis. there's no telling, really.

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they say one attacks a person in an argument when one has no better way to counter the other persons argument

anyways, im my post i in no way justified the events, or justified the actions, or appreciated "such behavior of those who prostitute a religion to murder and maim in a democratic society, whose people and freedoms they exploit for as one politician remarked an evil means to an evil ends". But i guess it easier to derail and misinterpret(sp?) what i said instead of argumenting intelligently against it.

Muscle-but, if I interpreted what you said correctly, I just can't believe you are saying it, you are saying the Coalition's aggression in Iraq is on par with exploding a bomb on a series of trains. Right. There is defending yourself, which should be expected and is, and then there are acts like this. The people killed have no involvment in the war in Iraq, they are not a threat. Not even the trains have any effect on how the Coalition physically goes about doing their business in Iraq. If you were killed today, would you say, oh well I had it comming, afterall my country invaded theirs so I should expect a back lash. You f'n coward.

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erm dude who r u replying too ?

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Originally posted by venomX childish they say one attacks a person in an argument when one has no better way to counter the other persons argument anyways, im my post i in no way justified the events, or justified the actions, or appreciated "such behavior of those who prostitute a religion to murder and maim in a democratic society, whose people and freedoms they exploit for as one politician remarked an evil means to an evil ends". But i guess it easier to derail and misinterpret(sp?) what i said instead of argumenting intelligently against it.

aside from my syphilis statement, referring to your slightly paranoid state of mind, i stand by my assertion that you suffer from asymetrical skepticism. i.e. you're willingness to entertain the possibility that these attacks were committed by anyone other than the people that claimed responsibility and not facts that are on the ground right in front of you. sure you're right. it's early. but i say, appreciate what it is that you can rationalize through the reaction of others, eye witness accounts, methods used. are you going to go as far and say true terrorism doen't exist? just a manifestation of western democracies to turn the world against Islam?

go ahead question everthing. don't trust anything or anybody other than what your playful imagination can convince yourself of. so the rest of us can keep our heads buried in the sand hoping our governments don't bomb us again

I just try to see a bit beyond all the smoke. Dont know what eyewitnesses your talking about as i dont believe anyone actually saw the terrorists with the bombs in the london bombings, or the madrid bombing, of for that, no one who actually saw the terrorists hijack the planes survived. Yes i agree that there are proven facts in connection to terrorists group performing these acts, i simply think that there is the possibility that they were orchastrated by someone else, with more access to certain resources such as the government of some countries and/or the government agencies.

And tryin to sound like u know everything in an argument doesnt go too far my friend, although i know this is the intarweb i hoped that maybe and exchange of ideas was actually posible, silly me i guess

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Originally posted by venomX as i dont believe anyone actually saw the terrorists with the bombs in the london bombings

Someone did see the terrorist who did the bomb on the Number 30 bus, he's currently helping police with enquiries.

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well didnt know that, thank u for letting me know,
im looking forward to hearing what he has to say

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Originally posted by venomX well didnt know that, thank u for letting me know,

well id like to think our media is a bit more upfront & tuned in than anyone elses is on this matter

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one of the things that has me elaborating conspiracy theories of government orchestration, just for informational purpose only

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=277550