when you get sent shit you gotta keep it for yourself. There is no excuse for sending stuff to your friends.

BTW, isnt it 100 times cooler to play/spin a tune, that no-one else has?

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There are a fair few issues here.

1) MP3's have helped over many years the popularity of artists, distribution to foreign countries like America, South America and outer Europe has been very poor in the last few years, though has now improved, so how were Trance DJ's meant to be able to spin decent new material if it wasnt being distributed to them because the Record Shops in those countries didnt know any better than to stock a load of sh-t? Since the introduction of Online MP3 stores this situation has greatly improved for those who had not been previously able to get the tracks without having to resort to downloading via free mp3 websites that no longer exist (such as shadow-zone etc) or through p2p, though the choice of online mp3 material could be improved quite considerably, that is down to all the record labels.

2) One central site should be created that links to Audiojelly and others, Im sure Im not the first to wonder what site a certain track is on, wouldnt it be great if anyone could go "hey, I'd like Jonas Steur - Castamara" and a tool would look up all of the 'legal' mp3 sites and come back with a price for each site that has it, this is something I feel is missing, we need tool similar to Kelkoo but for legal online mp3 shops!!

3) Record labels and the artists need to take more care to ensure that the material gets in the right hands and there is a certain level of trust with those people. I know someone that gets a lot of a certain artists new material months before its sees the light of day on vinyl or 'legal' mp3, and this individual is involved in 'the scene'....

4) Perhaps a solution for 3) would be the approach that Monster Tunes currently take, I know some of you will slag me off for mentioning Monster Tunes, seeing as I have been a little helper with them here and there, but they are an example of what all record labels should be doing!

Monster Tunes send out samplers of all their new material to DJ's all over the world with 6-8 tracks per CD every couple of months. The tracks on the CDs fade in and out, which is a bloody good move if you ask me. Think of it this way, you receive a CD Sampler in the post and think 'great, I'm gonna release this to the scene, OMFG!!! leech...' then you play the CD and see that the tracks fade in and out, therefore rendering them useless for the scene, because nobody really wants a track for illegal purposes if its not in its entirety, there are also certain scene rules that have strict instruction not to allow faded mp3s to be released and instead they get 'nuked'.
That's some clever stuff if you ask me, the Samplers wont be useless however as DJ's can still use them to spin on Online Radio or in clubs etc. This is what every record label who distributes their material should be doing!!! A similar approach is needed for 'Promo vinyls' - fade them in and out, but only copies that get distributed to artists and dj's, not to record shops for people to buy.

There are so many things that are wrong with how the industry & mp3 scene (whether it be legal or illegal) act at the moment:

a) Promo vinyls should be distributed only to artists and dj's but in a cut format, fade in and fade out and not sold at a price.

b) Record shops are only sent full releases of new tunes, which record labels should release sooner than they currently do.

c) Record labels should professionally rip most of their back catalogue and make it available to online mp3 stores such as Audiojelly.

It's so easy for labels and others to blame the illegal sharing of mp3s on everything, but that is utter bullshit. Maybe the scene has changed over the years which I am not fully aware of but the way things used to be is there was very poor distribution, no online legal mp3 stores, or there were but VERY little selection, do you guys feel the same way as I do that the record labels and artists are partially to blame, they are a few years too late on the online mp3 thing, that should have been done a long time ago, maybe some labels would still be around? how it took until late '03 / early '04 for these sites such as audiojelly to start is beyond me.

I hope I havent gone round in circles on this issue.

Cheers,

Simon

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Last edited by Simcut on Sep-06-2005 at 12:09

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Originally posted by Simcut 2) One central site should be created that links to Audiojelly and others

agree. + rss support and i'd be in love

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Originally posted by Simcut The tracks on the CDs fade in and out, which is a bloody good move if you ask me.

disagree. most labels want dj's to actually play their tunes and a track that fades in and out is completely unplayable.. of course.

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Originally posted by andreas1999 disagree. most labels want dj's to actually play their tunes and a track that fades in and out is completely unplayable.. of course.

Nah its not mate, DJ's mix tracks in and out, only the first seconds and last seconds of the songs are faded out....

I have to admit I am really interested in persuing with a central site like Kelkoo as a database for all online mp3 stores, a search engine for Legal trance mp3 and where to find them....

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anybody who's done a little bit of mixing will tell you why that idea is bad.

actually i will.. the dj won't be able to beatmatch properly if the first 2½ bars are missing from the track. it would still be possible but it would mean the dj now have to find the start of the next 4x4 bars so the mix won't be a complete mess.

but this is a bit off topic, though.

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Originally posted by ahp2002 BTW, isnt it 100 times cooler to play/spin a tune, that no-one else has?

No.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No.

it makes me laugh when thats all people have to say, and they make a point of putting a blunt full stop straight after it!

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come on..? i'm no expert on dj's but it seems to me like a lot of dj's (probably most dj's) base their whole dj career around exclusives and not mixing skills..

andreas I disagree mate.....

I disagree on DJ's of today just spinning exclusive shit and nothing else, thats just rubbish !

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yeah well i would hardly tune in to essential selection, or any similar show on radio 1, if it wasn't for the newest unreleased tunes.

but yes, in a club it's a bit different i guess..

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Originally posted by Simcut andreas I disagree mate..... I disagree on DJ's of today just spinning exclusive shit and nothing else, thats just rubbish !

well I know that some dj's don't spin a track, even if its killer, cause another DJ already plays it... Ofcourse not all the DJ's play exclusive stuff only... but it's the exclusive stuff in a set that distincts you from the rest of the jocks huh..

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