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Originally posted by fr0st I never said anything was better than anything else..

You haven't, eh?

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Originally posted by fr0st not to mention the summing buss sounds like shit....

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Originally posted by fr0st but the fact is the summing busses in fruity do not compare to protools, nuendo, logic... There is a reason fruity cost what it does, logic cost what it does and protools cost what it does...

Is it me or you have a very short/selective memory?

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Originally posted by fr0st But fact is they sound different cubase/logic/protools I cant tell the difference. But i can deffinately hear a difference in live and floops.. The same difference I can hear at 44.1 KHz vs 98khz along with 24bit and 16bit and its not just in volume... Ohwell i should just steer of the production forums because aparently everyone knows everything..

First of all, how on earth can you know that it's not the difference in volume!? Fletcher-Munson law (something people get taught in decent audio/electroacoustic schools not sponsored by gear manufacturers) teaches us that humans percieve differences in volume as differences in tonal balance and character and vice versa. You must be one of those professional listeners with perfect pitch and trained ear when you hear all those differences and are 100% positive it's not just volume, right?

Also, there are so many things that factor in the difference between 44.1 and 96 (whether you're recording audio at one of the rates, listening to some plugins calculated at these two different precisions or just audio being resampled to that freq and depending on what frequency it was recorded) that in no way one could single out what is the difference between 96/44.1, most what we hear is that it exists. Same goes for 16/24.

Are you 100% positive that you would hear that difference if you didn't know what you're listening to (google for "blind sound tests")? I wouldn't be so sure, perception wasn't built to disect audio, notice differences in bitdepth or samplerate, it was built to enhance sound of dangerous things and voices of other humans.

Same goes for people that claim they can ALWAYS hear difference between hardware and software synths (off course all digital virtual analogue synths are different due to diferent algos, but not many, if any people can go and differentiate from bunch of different sw and hw recordings in a completely blind test).

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Originally posted by peejunk Fletcher-Munson law (something people get taught in decent audio/electroacoustic schools not sponsored by gear manufacturers) teaches us that humans percieve differences in volume as differences in tonal balance and character and vice versa.

I'm not familiar with that particular law, but I will agree that this is definitely true. More often than not, the reason professional releases sound "loud" is because of simple EQ-ing, not fancy $5000 valve compressors.

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Originally posted by peejunk You haven't, eh? Is it me or you have a very short/selective memory? First of all, how on earth can you know that it's not the difference in volume!? Fletcher-Munson law (something people get taught in decent audio/electroacoustic schools not sponsored by gear manufacturers) teaches us that humans percieve differences in volume as differences in tonal balance and character and vice versa. You must be one of those professional listeners with perfect pitch and trained ear when you hear all those differences and are 100% positive it's not just volume, right? Also, there are so many things that factor in the difference between 44.1 and 96 (whether you're recording audio at one of the rates, listening to some plugins calculated at these two different precisions or just audio being resampled to that freq and depending on what frequency it was recorded) that in no way one could single out what is the difference between 96/44.1, most what we hear is that it exists. Same goes for 16/24. Are you 100% positive that you would hear that difference if you didn't know what you're listening to (google for "blind sound tests")? I wouldn't be so sure, perception wasn't built to disect audio, notice differences in bitdepth or samplerate, it was built to enhance sound of dangerous things and voices of other humans. Same goes for people that claim they can ALWAYS hear difference between hardware and software synths (off course all digital virtual analogue synths are different due to diferent algos, but not many, if any people can go and differentiate from bunch of different sw and hw recordings in a completely blind test).

Since you want to be a dick, what are you 18? Because i guess at that age i knew everything. But the mored i have learned the less i know as it would seem. I dont have a degree in any sort in anything audio related, though i am working on a MA in math/physics

1) I didnt say anything was better than anything else i said the summing busses sound like shit, which they do. But in the end the muscian is what matters. For accurate sounds i would not go to either program. As i record myself playing guitar and also recording my synths i prefer for any change in the audio to be performed by me.

2) There is no doubt years of programing went into designing the high end audio programs and there is a disctinct difference in the way each programs audio engine summs the audio. Cubase just recently upped theirs in version 3. You get what you pay for..

3) If you dont believe my ears that is fine. But i grew up playing woodwinds including bassoon, oboe, sax, flute and after 9 years of playing a variety of woodwinds i turned my attention to guitar and now after 6 years of guitar im turning my attention to piano. Also having worked in a film post production studio for the past year I also have a good idea of room design and acoustics, through doing different voice overs in different spaces. And having sat in on sessions of friends recording bands on neves/ssl's you names i have good idea of a console with a analog signal path...

Oh well this is just a internet forum and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one..

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funny i should run into this thread, especially after last night. i'm really not the biggest BT fan as far as his live shows, but i do love some of his productions, namely "mercury and solace" and "dreaming."

so i had this dream last night, where i was having a conversation with bt about the night that i saw him spinning at spundae in la. we were talking about how he had ableton live rigged up and how he was tapping on his lil midi controller to get the snares blasting.

random dream, he was a funny guy!

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i read on the computer music website that BT has about 600 plug-ins.

now thats alot!

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Exactly. Anyone can make that sound. Even Tiesto. And I don't smoke, ass. I'm serious. I'm not saying it isn't professional. I'm saying it isn't as high quality as some of the more expensive programs. It's getting better, though. And in keeping with Fr0st's Law, it's price is increasing for people who don't already own it.

You must be confused about what "quality" means. Are you suggesting (or trying to suggest) that a 24bit wave file sounds different in FL Studio than it does in Reason or Cubase or Logic?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby You must be confused about what "quality" means. Are you suggesting (or trying to suggest) that a 24bit wave file sounds different in FL Studio than it does in Reason or Cubase or Logic?

I doubt it. If you use 100% high-quality VSTs in FL then you'll get high-quality output from it. A lot of the native generator plugins have quality problems though - phase shifts, odd harmonic distortion, etc.

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