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Originally posted by Aiwendil I dunno, I thought that statement would carry a lot of weight with you, you seem to take comments people make on the internet very seriously! Ehhh...my mom still questions my "orientation" I think. She doesn't know about TA. :/ And you couldn't even begin to comprehend the real reason or genius behind why I posted my second post in this thread.

I think my severe lack of sleep last night can allow for the odd typo.

People use the internet in different things, I for one over the years have met most of my closest friends and even my first love via it, so it's not a huge wonder why I like to take people's posts at face value.

People who have a different persona on the internet are pointless.

Nonsensical posts in caps, even if there is a alleged reason/genius behind it, is still juvenile and attention seeking.

Everyone is entitled to be annoyed by whatever they choose, but those with manners or social aptitude tend to let minor ones slide, and only really kick up on ones they find more extreme and such.

This is the first time I have mentioned something that you have been doing for ages now that annoys me, and I only do so because it just built up and because I am kinda bored at the moment.

Very similar to another user's post's in recent months that I eventually voiced up about, enciting said user to attempt to beat me in a battle of wits when they possesed none of the required abilities to win.

At the end of the day though, I dont' believe these types of posts from you are in breach of forum rules, so nothing will really change, but that doesn't make my opinion any less valid.

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Oh, you're one of "those" people who attempts to get people banned because you don't like them. You know I could reveal to you why you continue to make a fool of yourself, but that would ruin my fun.

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Ishkur:

I agree with you about how trance music has not stopped with the build ups...

But I think you are missing the effect of trance and a lot of EDM. Yes the snare rolls, build ups, crescendos and breakdowns are expected [even in a lot of house and techno], but what makes certain trance songs excell and stand out is their particular melodic or emotional effect and impact.

Sure you may have heard a similar melody before and maybe the bassline has been done, but what causes that new trance tune to satisfy it's audience is it's particular take on that tired key. Some of us have listened to trance for a long time and still enjoy it. We don't care that they haven't dropped the snare rolls and crescendos because we realize that they are just simple and fundamental tools that are used to acheive an effect. The real innovation is the melodic and emotional impact. The song's power over your ears, the way it controls you. That is what trance music is about and if you could never appreciate this then you never really appreciated trance.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Oh, you're one of "those" people who attempts to get people banned because you don't like them. You know I could reveal to you why you continue to make a fool of yourself, but that would ruin my fun.

Ha!

I said already, those posts are not in breach of any forum rules, just annoying to me.

Who said anything about getting people banned.

Jumping to conclusions and assuming things are rookie mistakes, but then I know you arent a newbie or anything, jsut another alt in a sea of endless alts we have on here nowadays.

But, by no means let me interfere with your fun, because I'm finding that rather enjoyable too.

Also, my apologies for the semi-thread hijack

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Kinda like your assumptions that my posts are meaningless all-caps nothings...right.

An alt what? What do you mean exactly. Yeah, i'm enjoying my fun and i'm glad you enjoy it too. So like, you wanna take any guesses as to why I really posted what I did? And you keep falling into every trap I lay for you. Why are people so predictable? Where is this "wit" you supposedly say you crush your opponents with. Twice i've baited you since you started this whole gay galavant, and twice you've fallen into my trap as predicted. You're neither interesting nor nice, as you've proven in the past few hours.

I believe you're the one who assumed my posts deserved to be "at the bottom of the food chain", which is why you began your futile assault in the first place. Statements like "I defeated them with my wit" and your attacks on my harmless posts tend to imply that you're a pretentious idiot. That's what you are, friend. Don't get all apologetic now that i've backblasted your attack with my superior bouncebackability.

This is the value I place on "internet etiquette":

That's a lot less value than you place on it, Urkel.

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Originally posted by djmetatron But I think you are missing the effect of trance and a lot of EDM. Yes the snare rolls, build ups, crescendos and breakdowns are expected [even in a lot of house and techno], but what makes certain trance songs excell and stand out is their particular melodic or emotional effect and impact.

That's the particular melodic or emotional impact you'll finde in a sweet Aqua track or Britney Spears medley.

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Sure you may have heard a similar melody before and maybe the bassline has been done, but what causes that new trance tune to satisfy it's audience is it's particular take on that tired key.

Yes, the duration of the wave and slight key change in a new trance tune will satisfy even the dimmest moron. I agree with you.

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Some of us have listened to trance for a long time

Not you, because you say...

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We don't care that they haven't dropped the snare rolls and crescendos because we realize that they are just simple and fundamental tools that are used to acheive an effect.

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The real innovation is the melodic and emotional impact. The song's power over your ears, the way it controls you. That is what trance music is about and if you could never appreciate this then you never really appreciated trance.

See there? And let me tell you another thing, let me blow your mind right now: you never appreciated trance.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Kinda like your assumptions that my posts are meaningless all-caps nothings...right. An alt what? What do you mean exactly. Yeah, i'm enjoying my fun and i'm glad you enjoy it too. So like, you wanna take any guesses as to why I really posted what I did?

The content of those posts, regardless of relevance to the thread, still often tend to be obscure, appreciated only by a select few, thus affirming the towering height of your elitist horse.

Though, it isn't the content, it's the blatent breach of internet etiquette that I find somewhat annoying.

But then, you are blatently so much better than I am in every way, so I should just be quiet and know my place.

I'll just stay at the bottom of the food-chain, with all the other interesting/nice people.

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Originally posted by djmetatron melodic or emotional effect and impact.

Stop right there. See, that's where you're wrong. Trance isn't supposed to have a melodic or emotional effect. It's supposed to ROB you of that melodic or emotional effect. It's supposed to subsume you, overload your senses, drag you into an alternative universe of bliss, without form, function, feeling or fashion. It's supposed to ENTRANCE you, a deep hypnosis, arresting the privilege of thought and the faculty of reason. Close your eyes, and everything is gone, a Temporary Autonomous Zone existing so long as is needed, like your own pirate utopia. Everything is whisked away, and all that exists is you and the music, and you aren't really quite sure about the "you" part. I love being in this state of mind. I live for this state of mind.

And then the beat drops, or a snare roll kicks in, and it's all gone. Like a bubble on the head of a pin. And getting it back is damn near impossible. The mood is destroyed, the buzz is ruined, the mellow is harshed, whatever you want to call it, this hypnosis that the music has put you in has been destroyed by some narcissistic idiot who decided 8 years ago that the purpose of trance wasn't to worship yourself and the music by looking inward, but to worship him and only him as some living, fascist god.

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Originally posted by djmetatron That is what trance music is about and if you could never appreciate this then you never really appreciated trance.

Allow me to be frank and crass here: You have no fucking idea what trance music is really about.

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was i talking to you??

no.

was i talking about particular music like Aqua or Britney Spears??

nope.

do you have an unbelievably inflated ego only because a couple of people on the board thought one or two of your posts were amusing?

yes.

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..Not you..

well since 97. but that's a long time for me.

and if that is too late to catch your beloved version of trance let me laugh heartily..

what you have done is assumed my taste and intellect in a way that would be easy for you to retort without trying to understand my post. you assume that i don't know what i'm talking about and have made the very slightest effort to comprehend my point, (which, again, is due to your strangely inflated ego).

*sigh* ...happens all the time.

listen, i just don't see the point of demonizing today's trance because it uses snare rolls. the snare rolls just seem to be a very good way of building energy. some of us like that.

anyway, aiwendil. you are very funny on occasion. but you definatly need to be knocked down a few pegs.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Stop right there. See, that's where you're wrong. Trance isn't supposed to have a melodic or emotional effect. It's supposed to ROB you of that melodic or emotional effect. It's supposed to subsume you, overload your senses, drag you into an alternative universe of bliss, without form, function, feeling or fashion. It's supposed to ENTRANCE you, a deep hypnosis, arresting the privilege of thought and the faculty of reason. Close your eyes, and everything is gone, a Temporary Autonomous Zone existing so long as is needed, like your own pirate utopia. Everything is whisked away, and all that exists is you and the music, and you aren't really quite sure about the "you" part. I love being in this state of mind. I live for this state of mind.

see, we agree on something!

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And then the beat drops, or a snare roll kicks in, and it's all gone. Like a bubble on the head of a pin. And getting it back is damn near impossible. The mood is destroyed, the buzz is ruined, the mellow is harshed, whatever you want to call it, this hypnosis that the music has put you in has been destroyed by some narcissistic idiot who decided 8 years ago that the purpose of trance wasn't to worship yourself and the music by looking inward, but to worship him and only him as some living, fascist god.

not sure why the beat dropping causes you to lose your 'buzz' but for me it must be a tasteful breakdown and use of snares. most of what armin plays is not.

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Allow me to be frank and crass here: You have no fucking idea what trance music is really about.

and you do. and you are the only one who holds the key to the secret of trance music. and no one else will know it's true power unless they pass the ten trials of suffering and torment.

ok.. we have differen't views of what trance music is about then. but what i stated just before what you quoted of me was, what i thought a very succinct yet expressive way to describe it, "the song's power over your ears, the way it controls you." and i think it is very parallel you your description above.


back to the point. snare rolls are used in trance, but they don't define it nor are they it's downfall.

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Originally posted by Ishkur It's supposed to ENTRANCE you, a deep hypnosis, arresting the privilege of thought and the faculty of reason. Close your eyes, and everything is gone, a Temporary Autonomous Zone existing so long as is needed, like your own pirate utopia. Everything is whisked away, and all that exists is you and the music, and you aren't really quite sure about the "you" part. I love being in this state of mind. I live for this state of mind.

This probably stems from me enjoying the social aspect of life, but this sounds like the kinda thing a drugged up hippie would do.

Or the average heroin junkie.

Escape from reality, get away from it all.

If that's what you want from music, so be it, listen to that which helps you accomplish those goals.

No real point slating music that doesn't help you do so.

Your perception of what trance is and means is different to other people's, not to say there aren't others who see it the same way yourself, but more so to live and let live, people can enjoy what they want.

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