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noikeee
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: lost and wandering looking for directions.

quote:
Originally posted by george_hales
haha, its pretty funny that people still post on TRANCEaddict... yet bash everyone that makes the scene for them, so so lame!


How many times do we have to explain this? We've used to like trance, but sticked on the site because there's some cool people here (teh community is decent) and generally all electronic music is discussed anyway (granted there are some bias towards certain subgenres). Actually I still like some trance, just not epic nor most of the stuff that has been released over the last couple years. And certainly it isn't Armin, Tiesto, PvD, or 90% of this list that makes the scene for me.


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george_hales
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Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Northamptonshire, UK

ok ok, i worded what i ment wrong... i don't speak for everyone, it was a personal opinion. From my view of the scene, i feel that alot of artists wouldn't have been as big if it weren't for the promotional power of the djs rated as "top". I know myself that i'd have never listened to half the artists i know of today if i hadn't caught that once or twice that i heard them on a compilation or at a club being played by the names in that list. Hopefully people see where im comming from, but i'll make it clear that this probably isn't the case for alot of you.

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PlasticSoul
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Brasília - DF

why every thread where is ishkur's name, there are tons of pages'?

I think I'll do a thread with my top 2005 djs , well... its better copy and paste TAs one and replace something...
so it will be big with tons of replies and I'll be teH pop"!!


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Dj_Es-Dva
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Registered: Jul 2005
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hmm suprised at the order mark norman did quite well then i guess, felix da housecat should of been higher though.

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NuDarkBeat
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Miami , FL , USA

I think it wouldve been funny if he would have put a bit more effort into it. I mean, thinking about it, there are a lot of actually good djs on that list.


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R!CH
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Registered: Sep 2004
Location: potrero hill

lol @ wordy overdone rants... IT'S FUCKING MUSIC people! just shut the fuck up with your internet egos and enjoy it! or don't! you aren't a damn music scholar and no one here wants to hear from one anyway lol!


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Swamper
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Registered: Jan 2000
Location: Toronto, Canada

haha

This thread is jokes.


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Dj Havoc
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Montenegro

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
You've got it the other way around, UnWorldy. You think I'm complaining about the cause. Nah. I'm complaining about the effect.

It's not exposure and popularity that has me wound up. I've never once cared what the greater world thinks of what I do with my free time (if it thinks at all), and I'm not going to start. Letting people in? I have no problem with that. Come one, come all. So long as you treat the culture with respect, tolerance, and leave it the way you found it. Sadly, this is rarely the case.

The more people involved with something, the slower and stupider it must become to appease all of them. Why must it appease them? Because if it doesn't, they'll make sure it does. This is the equivalent of you throwing a really bitchin' party, and halfway through the night the neighbourhood thugs discover it, invite their friends, and come trolloping in. That's not an issue, really, so long as they don't break anything. But as is usually the case, the newbs don't put as much interest, care or quality into the scene as everyone else has. They want the insta-gratification, and so they track mud all over the place, empty your fridge, blow up the stereo, wake up the neighbours and put holes in the wall. And in the morning they leave claiming "This party sucks. It wasn't like it was last night!"

Yeah. And who's fault is that, you fucking jerks!?

I've never once advocated exclusion of sub-cultural social tribes from the masses. But I have advocated, MANY MANY MANY times in MANY MANY MANY rants, essays and articles, that we should NOT DUMB OURSELVES DOWN FOR THEIR BENEFIT. We are what we are. We should not kow-tow, we should not dilute, we should not water down, we should not soften our image, our style, our morality, the very existence of our identity, for the sake of mass acceptance. To do so is an abomination and a betrayal of what we are here for.

huh.

I just realized something really tragic: Most of you don't have a god damn clue what I'm talking about.

I hope you people want to read my book. I really do. It's the most honest vindication of such passion that I can put to words.


+1

I know excactly what you mean.

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isoterra
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Nottingham, UK

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
haha

This thread is jokes.


i think i'm just going to give up trying to respond to some of these comments, sit back & +1 that

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Wraith
I want that one...



Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Palos Hills, IL

quote:
Originally posted by Azz3D
Who gives a shit, really? Who cares what Ishkur thinks or what System J thinks or what I think or what Person XYZ thinks?

listen to your own shit and die happy

the end


Someone got it right.....

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Abhay
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Registered: May 2004
Location: mould coast

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
I was making a reply to the thread that System-J started, but that got locked before I finished. So I'm putting it here, which is kind of on-topic, because it kind of explains the satire behind my list as well:



I'll not only self-plagiarize something, I'll self-plagiarize something I said not more than an hour ago TO YOU....but I'll dress it up a bit.

*ahem*

I really think that the whole reason behind why the line between DJ and Producer is so blurred in because of one thing: File-sharing.

The internet is a boon to the proliferation and solidarity of sub-cultural social tribes. The furries, the geeks, the goths, the anime otakus etc....all lived huddled in relative obscurity beforehand, their scenes teetering on the edge of anonymity, each of them clustering together in the cities in small, likeminded enclaves. Without any form of mass media push to represent them, they relied on themselves to push their lifestyle, largely via word-of-mouth. Because of this, the scenes moved relatively slowly and with concerned purpose for their just existence. The internet pushed all of these undercultures into prominance. The presence of omnipotent communication accelerated many of them sociologically, and broke others into the mainstream.

Such is the case with electronic music. With no real radio or television exposure, electronic music remained something secretive and separate from the music world at large. To find it, you had to know where to look. You needed to know certain people to have it, go certain places to hear it, join certain groups and record pools and mailing lists to be apart of it. If you didn't have access to any one of these things or you didn't know anyone who was, getting involved could be very problematic. For the scene wasn't interested in finding you. You had to go find it.

The internet changed all that. Now it can be found with two clicks of a button and a keyword search. But what REALLY exploded the scene was file-sharing.

File-sharing was not a new phenomenon. People had been trading music via private FTP servers for as long as music was capable of being transferred over the internet. But being apart of these collectives, and possessing the technical knowhow to run an FTP client pretty much made them closed-off to the general body of humanity who barely knew how to run their email until web-based email apps made them stupidly simple.

Then Napster emerged. Based on the FTP model, it was the "complex technology made stupidly simple" answer that made it all possible. Suddenly, every Dick and Jane could trade music. And the great fight for the digital liberation of music was on.

What resulted in this, of course, is a lowering of the bar. As what usually happens when the masses join something, the average intelligence and level of commitment goes down. Ignorance, slovenliness, and irresponsibility infected music trading channels.

Added to this was the growing prominence of electronic music, but more importantly, the people playing the electronic music. Not making it. Taking a cue from the pop world, EDM marketers figured out that something could sell a hell of a lot better if a face/name/image/style was applied to it. Thus, nameless mix CDs which in the early 90s were simple throwaway titles like "Trancendental Explorations Vol. 4" used as a means to get the music into the hands of a growing number of consumers apprehensive about getting the music on vinyl were transformed into ALBUMS...featuring someone IMPORTANT. It wasn't just "Tranceport". It was "PAUL OAKENFOLD: Tranceport".

The peons, gravitating from the pop world model of album-oriented marketing, took that cue to mean that he was the brains behind the outfit, and before long every song on Tranceport was on Napster, erronously named as a Paul Oakenfold track, from his original artist CD Tranceport.

The result: Oakenfold's infamy was hyper-inflated to ridiculous proportions, and he became the first trance superstar. To this day, I still get angry emails from kids who tell me that Gamemaster is by Oakenfold, and Binary Finary is by Paul van Dyk.

And that continues to this day. Every mis-labelled track you find on a file-sharer means there is someone out there misplacing an awful lot of devotion and worship. Because the DJs are marketed more than the Producers, they get all the press, all the accolades, all the attention, and all the fun. With so much overwhelming pressure to worship the man behind the decks and not the guy sitting in the studio, people can't help but believe there's a method to all the madness.

In all honesty, people, worshipping the DJs is like giving the guy channel-surfing on his TV unending adulation for the original premise of Lost. If you think your favourite DJ's placement on some sort of list validates your opinion of him tenfold, then you probably don't get it, and after eight years of this shit, most of us are fucking sick of trying to explain it to you.




THe good old days have gone... the world has move on....

some of it is good... some of it is bad.....

start accepting change grandad, work with it, or become a leader, and help to change things. You seem to be doing the latter, but stop sounding like an old man atleast, please be more proffesional.

It'll serve ur purpose, and it'll be helping everyone else as well....

thankyou.

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WingDing
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Internet Sensation

quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
THe good old days have gone... the world has move on....

some of it is good... some of it is bad.....

start accepting change grandad, work with it, or become a leader, and help to change things. You seem to be doing the latter, but stop sounding like an old man atleast, please be more proffesional.

It'll serve ur purpose, and it'll be helping everyone else as well....

thankyou.



the force is weak in this one

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