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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I wasn't arguing with you or anything. I'm just pointing out where the guy got the electro part from.

If he wants to argue that, then he's either really stupid, or he wants to get into semantics because he doesn't have an actual argument to stand on, other than what he read in some Maverick Records press release.

(yeah, like Madonna is going to come out and say she's creatively bankrupt and thus relies on ye olde hot producer du jour to stay relevant...the 'disco tribute' is a great story, and perfect because she can keep saying that in interviews and on talk shows to plug her album, because when it comes to truth, repetition and visibility win out every time.)

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J EDIT: Although, going back slightly, I don't see how either of those genres has anything to do with 70s disco sampling.

They sample the 70s too.

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Originally posted by Roger Federer sampling disco beats began much ealier than you beleive

Great, so we're in agreement then. You concede the argument to me.

I would call Mantronix electro, who is someone I imagine Frankie got a lot of mileage out of in his Warehouse days.

Roger, I see you flapping, but you don't really back up a hell of a lot of what you say. And then you come forth like a hurricane, namedropping like it silences all detractors. I'm sure the size of your electronic music knowledge penis is fucking huge and you got a big raging hard-on right now, but I don't have time to stick around and compare and contrast. You got a point to make, make it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

so kent, how you like them tiesto sets

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Originally posted by Ishkur (yeah, like Madonna is going to come out and say she's creatively bankrupt and thus relies on ye olde hot producer du jour to stay relevant...the 'disco tribute' is a great story, and perfect because she can keep saying that in interviews and on talk shows to plug her album, because when it comes to truth, repetition and visibility win out every time.)

Did I ever say Madonna was a genius?
No.


Did I say she was orginal?
No.


Do I think this album appeals to what you termed 'underground electro' fans?

No.

Is this electro?

No.

Is this album a cheese fest?

Yes.

Will it be popular with homosexuals in nightclubs across the world ?

Yes.

Is this electro?

No.

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Originally posted by montana so kent, how you like them tiesto sets

You mean PvD. I haven't listened to them yet.

I will tonight.

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Originally posted by montana No No No No Yes Yes No

No argument there. But to be so naive as to think she was doing it as a fanservice to disco? ....come on. I get a funny image here of Madonna making calls around the house scene, looking for a producer who will make a disco tribute album.

And all of them are replying "Wow, Madonna. Tribute to disco? Out of house music? That's just never been done before!!!"

It's like the President claiming that his latest speech was a tribute to freedom.

Your claim was

1) 'electro is the current trend in dance music'

so

2)'madonna hires a producer to make her an electro album'


so

3) 'madonna is a opportunist'

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I rebut

1) yes electro but do you even know what electro is becuase JLC would not be a top choice if that was the angle she was going for?? Also minimal is also very popular,some would say more popular than electro, why not a minimal album ???

2) the album is not electro. This is my main point. If she was an opportunist than she clearly would have made an electro album and sold it to the kiddies. If anything, this album has elements of house and disco.Disco house maybe BUT NOT ELECTRO. This is the sole reason why your claim is wrong. Than how come the trance kiddies think Ishkur is so right?? Because you make up shit to prove a point, kinda like what you did in your EDM guide You start off with an obvious point ( i.e. electro is popular) but than you bullshit to make another point (i.e. madonna's album is electro THUS money hungry bitch). If only you understood what electro was than you could see why I am laughing at you, hence the

3) I don't think she's an opportunist but rather a very succesful POP artist that has the ability to re-define what she represents in music. One must admire her willingness to change. The other side of this spectrum are artists like Armin can Buuren who fear change because their army of cheesy fans fear a new musical direction, especially if it doesnt include a snare roll build up

Last edited by Roger Federer on Nov-19-2005 at 04:40

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Originally posted by Roger Federer Your claim was 1) 'electro is the current trend in dance music'

Nope.

Check your premises. You're wrong because you pretended I said something I did not.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Nope. Check your premises. You're wrong because you pretended I said something I did not.

You said the following....

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Ishkur 2005: Now electro-house rules the dancefloors. Naturally, Madonna wants to co-opt this and pretend it's something she invented too. So Confessions on a Dancefloor has got the neo-synthpop sound through and through. The smartest thing she did was hire Les Rhythmes Digitales to be the mastermind of it.

electrohouse != electro.

I thought I explained this already.

Pay attention, stupid. *wack*

If you're implying that I somehow let Tiesto and AvB off the hook, you really haven't been paying very close attention.

edit to add: my esteemed ATP ranked #1 colleague here was making a comparison between Madonna, Tiesto and AvB with regards to pop music before he wisely chickened out and omitted the post.