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Originally posted by XenatR paranoik0 i hope youre not talking about me im a senior tranceaddict you know. my knowledge is vast, and my music is quality if you wana chat about the artists in my sig, im afraid i dont have time for n00bs like you! ok ok im just kidding!

i was indeed talking about you but this part

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i'm making a lot of generalizations here, want to make it clear these newcomers i'm talking about aren't directly people with low post count or with a recent join date.. post count is hardly a good measure of knowledge

also applies to you perfectly

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Do what you like man. I don't know if I'm an elitist or a bystander, but I'll do what I want on TA, and ignore anyone who thinks that's a crime.

I'm absolutely stoned and having read this just now i must say i admire the attitude :- ) good post. now i'm going to see if i can wade through the rest..

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I don't think very many people are going to miss one person ceasing to post stuff. Anyone can go on a google adventure and find tunes to talk about or visit a record shop, there are not very many kids whos musical satisfaction depends mostly on the contributions of 'elitists'.

I don't really think it's as easy as a google search or record shop visit to gain an understanding of what dance music has to offer in diversity and quality. There's just too much marketing to get past for new listeners. The advice of people who know is really important in early stages of musical exploration; without "elitists", the forums where such exchanges usually happen just become marketing echo chambers for the newest epic flavor of the week. So I think there's an important point to what Floorfiller is saying.

Some of you are taking him way too literally and saying "oh, well losing one person won't make a difference." But I think he's pointing out a wider sentiment than just his own, and pointing out the wider consequences. For example, I still read the forums, but I just don't bother posting advice anymore, because few of the new faces to trance seem to care about hearing informed opinions different from their own DJ-deification blindness. I'm more likely to receive idiot complaints that I have "different taste" than fans of Andy Moor and Armin's endless Dutch slosh when trying to point out the emptiness of that music. No, I'm sorry, that stuff just crap. I'm tired of people treating trance like a cute Fisher-Price toy, when it has diversity and depth behind it. People should respect that, rather than get offended by the honest opinions of people who have listened to more. This is called tranceaddict, after all.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 and as been said.. this is just side-effects of the new people coming in and time going by, the "it's just isn't as good as it was before" oldskooler's effect.

I really think this is a red herring. It would be different if trance were really going places right now, and the conflict were a matter of the old guard resisting newer trends simply by virtue of bias against anything new. But if there were major movements of quality stuff now like there were at times for trance in the past, I bet most of the "elitists" would be the first people pushing it. People who care about the music will follow the music.

But that's not the case. The "elitists" are not people protecting their old, secure classics against new challengers. A State of Trance and Tiesto In Concert are not artistic challengers to Frankfurt or the British progressive trance of the late nineties, etc.

Also, what's with this constant reference to post counts? I cared for maybe three months, tops. It should be obvious anyone that it can correlate with experience, but is by no means a qualification.

one recommendation to make jason happy:

Marscruiser vs. Andy Page - Elementalectrofunk

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cobalt no one reads or likes your posts so stop wasting your time son.

floorfiller - who the hell do u think you are. i've never even heard of you yet you think you know trance. to top it off, you're from the states ffs! give me a break

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Originally posted by s0UThErN^sUn floorfiller - who the hell do u think you are. i've never even heard of you yet you think you know trance. to top it off, you're from the states ffs! give me a break

You must be living under a rock you biggot.

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Originally posted by s0UThErN^sUn cobalt no one reads or likes your posts so stop wasting your time son. floorfiller - who the hell do u think you are. i've never even heard of you yet you think you know trance. to top it off, you're from the states ffs! give me a break

Well its difficult to hear or read about any of the older posters when the only topic you post in is the weekly Tigerclaw Shit Bulletin... aka ASOT thread.

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Originally posted by s0UThErN^sUn cobalt no one reads or likes your posts so stop wasting your time son. floorfiller - who the hell do u think you are. i've never even heard of you yet you think you know trance. to top it off, you're from the states ffs! give me a break

haha, you had me until the "you're from the states!"-part. good one though

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