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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Since when did people start insulting each other with smiles on their faces? Never seen it happen in the real world, but here at PDD? "Hey, you're a cocksucker. " What the heck is that? So now we wanna get along when we insult each other?

Thats a good point

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Originally posted by Lepanto you can join your brothers and get your ass kicked, cocksucker

or you can join the other so called heros in Iraq and get blown up to pieces for a good cause!!!

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If we let them build nuclear weapons we give their current leader's arguements actual legitimacy and thats what scares the hell out of everybody.
If only he actually talked like a rational, sane being, the world wouldn't be so anxious.
Make no doubt about it, if Saddam had access to such weapons he probably would have used them.
How can I substantiate you ask? Good question, just look at what Saddam did to Kuwait when he was forced by the World to leave not to mention the terror and mass graves that are still being found in Iraq to this day.
Do we really want to deal with another extremist/radical with nuclear capabilities this time?
There a lot of people here complaining about the current situation, now try and image that situation with a real nuclear threat behind it.
How the hell will you sleep at night?!?
I for one wouldn't sleep tight at all...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r If we let them build nuclear weapons we give their current leader's arguements actual legitimacy and thats what scares the hell out of everybody.

They are not going to attack anyone,how many times do we have to tell you that?

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Make no doubt about it, if Saddam had access to such weapons he probably would have used them.

He had chemical weapons and he used it and Americans knew about it abd gave it to him and didnt try to stop him.why is that?

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How can I substantiate you ask? Good question, just look at what Saddam did to Kuwait when he was forced by the World to leave not to mention the terror and mass graves that are still being found in Iraq to this day.

Saddam this saddam that.blah blah blah

Iran is no Iraq,they have no intensions to invade any country unlike the U.S were invasion is the only solution to their problems.

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Do we really want to deal with another extremist/radical with nuclear capabilities this time? There a lot of people here complaining about the current situation, now try and image that situation with a real nuclear threat behind it.

Good point,so why dont we try to get rid of the nukes all at once?why pick and choose who can or cant have them?

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How the hell will you sleep at night?!? I for one wouldn't sleep tight at all...

How can you sleep at night right now with all these other countries with nukes aimed at eachother?that doesnt scare you but somehow Iran does?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer They are not going to attack anyone,how many times do we have to tell you that?

And you can absolutely guarantee that huh?
scuse me if let the rest of the world decide that (if he doen't seal his own fate which he appears to have no problem doing).

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He had chemical weapons and he used it and Americans knew about it abd gave it to him and didnt try to stop him.why is that?

They had no idea that would turn around and use it on his own people!!! How the hell were they supposed to know that???

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Saddam this saddam that.blah blah blah Iran is no Iraq,they have no intensions to invade any country unlike the U.S were invasion is the only solution to their problems.

You are right, Saddam and Iran had no love for each other because Saddam was afraid the Islamic Revolution would spill into his own country. He was afraid for his regime and that's why they went to war. Saddam crushed anything that would look like a rebellion for the sake of himself.
Ever since the Shah's fall in Iran, they've become the black sheep of the Islamic world who have no interest in joining the rest of the world, comfortable in keeping their women and culture under backward theocratic control.
They showed no interest in talking to us even in legitimacy, why should they be trusted?

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Good point,so why dont we try to get rid of the nukes all at once?why pick and choose who can or cant have them? How can you sleep at night right now with all these other countries with nukes aimed at eachother?that doesnt scare you but somehow Iran does?

Becuase it's already been proven with the Cuban missle crisis that those with nuclear weapons are actually responsible.
We were literally seconds from you and me talking through tin cans at this moment.
Point out Japan all you want, we were in a World War at the time and if that wasn't done, millions more lives would have been lost than were without that decisive strike.
However, everybody knew exactly after Hiroshima and Nagasaki what nuclear war ment and no one ever wants to repeat it.
Unless countries are upfront and actually want to work with others their motives for nuclear capability are going to come under question from the world stage.
Trust is earned, not given.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Thats a good point

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Sure, we know that the Iraqi Kurds were gassed in Halabja on March 16th, 1988 - but I wonder how many people actually realize that the Kurds weren't Saddam's "own people" much more than the American Indian's were the North American colonists "own people." Also, the fact that they were caught in the crossfire between Iran and Iraq (a situation that my country had actively promoted through it's ongoing arms and chemical sales to both sides) is also conveniently overlooked. http://www.informationclearinghouse...article1148.htm

Were they are or they not within the borders of Iraq?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r They had no idea that would turn around and use it on his own people!!! How the hell were they supposed to know that???

Sure, we know that the Iraqi Kurds were gassed in Halabja on March 16th, 1988 - but I wonder how many people actually realize that the Kurds weren't Saddam's "own people" much more than the American Indian's were the North American colonists "own people." Also, the fact that they were caught in the crossfire between Iran and Iraq (a situation that my country had more or less actively promoted through it's ongoing arms and chemical sales to both sides - along with the satellite photo reconnaissance given to Iraq via our NRO) is also conveniently overlooked.


http://www.informationclearinghouse...article1148.htm

http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/...cers_say_us.htm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/08.19B.reagan.iraq.htm

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The U.S. helped this man to power and said nothing while he gassed us," sneered Shamal Khalaf, 34, a taxi driver. "And they expect us to applaud when they pull him down again? http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=5211

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

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June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power].

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r If we let them build nuclear weapons we give their current leader's arguements actual legitimacy and thats what scares the hell out of everybody. If only he actually talked like a rational, sane being, the world wouldn't be so anxious. Make no doubt about it, if Saddam had access to such weapons he probably would have used them. How can I substantiate you ask? Good question, just look at what Saddam did to Kuwait when he was forced by the World to leave not to mention the terror and mass graves that are still being found in Iraq to this day. Do we really want to deal with another extremist/radical with nuclear capabilities this time? There a lot of people here complaining about the current situation, now try and image that situation with a real nuclear threat behind it. How the hell will you sleep at night?!? I for one wouldn't sleep tight at all...

When has the iranian government invaded a nation since the mullahs took power in 1979? What REAL threats did other nations face??? Saddam caused a war with IRan... the US invaded iraq, Israel INVADED lebanon...the arabs invaded Israel...

Now you tell me this.. if your country was surrounded by nations that have been bullied and invaded by the same super powers in the world.. would you just sit there and not protect yourself???

Do you think that memebers odf the israeli knesset havent proclaimed their desire to destroy iran?

All his talk is rhetoric and he wants to make a name for himself internationally ...

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Originally posted by Cyrus King When has the iranian government invaded a nation since the mullahs took power in 1979? What REAL threats did other nations face??? Saddam caused a war with IRan... the US invaded iraq, Israel INVADED lebanon...the arabs invaded Israel... Now you tell me this.. if your country was surrounded by nations that have been bullied and invaded by the same super powers in the world.. would you just sit there and not protect yourself??? Do you think that memebers odf the israeli knesset havent proclaimed their desire to destroy iran? All his talk is rhetoric and he wants to make a name for himself internationally ...

+1

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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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