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Originally posted by Zombie0915 so nobody is gonna even say what they think of the stuff I've been finding, I mean the one informative post about music I write and nobody even cares, maybe I should just stick to opinion posts. I feel like the whole half assed toss thing has already happened, yet we are still all here I guess what annoys me about these threads, is that some people seem to think they are the only people who matter, that the market should do what they like rather than what everybody likes, that they are on some higher plane that allows them the right to decide who should express themselves and who should not. I feel different, like everybody deserves to at least have a chance. We can always filter out stuff, and the more stuff there is to filter the more interesting types of filters emerge, maybe somebody can agregate all these different sounds into a completely new style that wouldnt exist if we were all about discouraging people from making and sharing stuff. I dont know how to argue this adaquately, my mind has been blown by the great stuff I've found on the internet, and I highly doubt it is a result of me being ignorant of the stuff available offline. There are plently of reputable labels one can stick to if they want somebody to do quality control, but there are also less established places that are willing to put out more radical sounds because they have less to lose, and that makes music more exciting for me.

i agree on this, music has never been so exciting as it is now!

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Originally posted by Akazi i agree on this, music has never been so exciting as it is now!

How can you know?

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I hope that a new service enters the industry -- a retailer that plays the role of quality control filter that used to be provided by the record labels when their costs of production were higher.

No. Because what follows is this new retailer (or cartel of retailers, because of monopoly laws) becomes corrupt, elitist, nepotistic and anti-artist, just like the recording industry today. You wanna know how crap tunes get released on big labels? The artist making the tune has worked with the label before or is the brother/friend/boss/hairstylist of someone who has worked with the label before. And if they're new to the whole thing, they get their fucking name taken from them.

No, this is the way it should be. Frankly, I don't care if the "scene" dies, because there is no quality control but myself, not some super-conglomerate industry telling me what to think.

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Good point Hydroid!
Thats why i`m slowy fading away from the so called TRANCE scene (what`s purely left of it!)

Those kiddies thinking they release a record, playlisted by one of their fav jocks, and bam they fly away..doesn`t work like that..believe me!

To gain any fame nowadays, stay true to your roots, and most of all! - BE ORIGINAL -
All trance today is soooooooooo boring, with all those labels so called mp3 digi-labels, not to mention names here, i laugh big time the weekly links i get, even from inovative labels.
I really wonder the average age of the true music buyers and clubbers.are you here on the forum?

Not the kiddies on the peer to peer networks and sequencers with all those cracked stolen plugins!


And THAT`S were it exactly all starts!!!
Nuff of it, good luck kids, see ya around

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Originally posted by sigmanova not necessarily, there are some really awesome unsigned tracks out there by (new or old, don't really know) producers. just because it doesn't get signed doesn't mean it's a bad piece of music.

yeah true, but that doesn't mean that labels aren't interested in it. perhaps there are other reasons why these type of tunes aren't signed like licensing or contractual issues that can't be settled. and of course there are talented artists that don't choose to go the large label route, but the quality artists that do choose that path are few and far between.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller perhaps there are other reasons why these type of tunes aren't signed like licensing or contractual issues that can't be settled.

you're forgetting that labels don't normally sign based on quality... most of them have a token sound or style they'll only sign, regardless of how good the track is. you could make an absolutely shit-hot piece of trance but if it doesn't sound like something the majority of trance DJs out there would play, then most labels would turn it down... sadly.

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Originally posted by isoterra you're forgetting that labels don't normally sign based on quality... most of them have a token sound or style they'll only sign, regardless of how good the track is. you could make an absolutely shit-hot piece of trance but if it doesn't sound like something the majority of trance DJs out there would play, then most labels would turn it down... sadly.

perfect example from UKTA's MaRt...... Echano - Nothing to live for

Got promo rls with a watered down "95% of trance is shit and mine is no different" remix from gareth emery and in the end, an original piece of music which was perfectly written never saw the light of day because it wasn't cookie-cutter

You think that DJs didn't sift through 10,000 vinyls to find 1 or 2 gems?

It's all for love of the music; as trance becomes less underground and merges with other genres it will only get more and more difficult to truly find quality.

Technology is always ahead of the curve.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Right, let's start with a disclaimer: I don't think there's anything wrong with selling digital music as such. I think it's a great way for us to get the back catalogues of labels that we couldn't before. It also saves us a lot of money when we don't have to pay €10 for every single record we get. However... Lately I've been noticing a trend of new pseudo-labels popping up who do nothing but sell us mp3s of young and naive artists who think they're going to make it big because someone makes us pay for the mp3 files we used to get free from the artist himself. This is slowly but surely leading us to the point where the market is full of sub-par, generic sounding FL/Reason tracks made by teens who think they're the next big thing, when in reality the only people who will ever hear from them are the TA's. Who's going to bother going through all those "releases" just to find the 1 or 2 good ones? Not me, that's for sure. This trend is getting increasingly worrying, especially in the Music Producers Promotion forum here. People come in and think their first track is the next big thing and think it's going to get signed. They send their tracks around but - shock, horror - nobody wants to sign them... so they create their own label. At worst we have certain labels (no names mentioned) who go through the forum and trick the kids to "sign" their tracks to some would-be-label because we all know quantity over quality is what counts. Are these guys ever going to see any profit from these sales? I highly doubt it. So yeah... I'm not sure if my ramblings make any sense, but it'd be interesting to hear your views.

I couldn't agree more Mystery.

Another point, allthough could be argued like a mother ******.....is:


Back when vinyl was the only means of getting ur tunes.....it kinda made for only the people who reallly wanted those tunes...to get them, ya know, kicking out the bucks and ordering from some foriegn country...(im from canada)....placing a sweet order, and feeling like your 10 years old again and its christmas morning when they come.

Now any idiot can go on beatport or trackitdown....and grab the knewest and best tunes available and have them in like 2 minutes...i dunno my 2 cents....



whatever....good SKILLS and set programing will always sort out the retards from the jocks.

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Originally posted by Salem Back when vinyl was the only means of getting ur tunes.....it kinda made for only the people who reallly wanted those tunes...to get them, ya know, kicking out the bucks and ordering from some foriegn country...(im from canada)....placing a sweet order, and feeling like your 10 years old again and its christmas morning when they come. Now any idiot can go on beatport or trackitdown....and grab the knewest and best tunes available and have them in like 2 minutes...i dunno my 2 cents....

well basicly back then majority of people downloaded the tracks for p2p.. since they didn't have a vinyl player or wanted to buy one. nowadays most of them buy the mp3s legally.

it seems that in trance scene there are always people who think that old times were always better, trance scene should be as small as possible and nobody new should not be introduced to trance and it should be kept secret.
aswell as in trance scene (and probably other scenes too) there are certain people who just love to complain about everything, their contribute to the scene is that they complain, about everything that changes, everything new, every new release and most of all everything that gets popular weather it's asot or digital releases.
i'm actually very sad that our great scene and community has to suffer from that sort of bitter and jealous people who never came a dj or a recording artist, so they'll let that frustaration out by dissing everything. maybe people who hate so much everything about trance and everything related to it, shouldn't be listening to it in the first place.

and finally some plus and minuses to the actual topic..

- the catalogue raises and it keeps harder to find the ones you personally like.

- sometimes the labels do release crappy tunes that sound like they are made in an hour or so, and that makes all the quality digital releases look like bad too, the releases you might have worked months and months.

- getting signed isn't as hard as it used to be, don't know if it's good or bad thing, but maybe being signed isn't as great anymore when everyone else is too.

- doesn't do good for vinyl culture, forcing deejays to play more and more cds.

+ for those who don't have a vinyl player have a legal way to buy mp3s. and even those who constantly download stuff from p2p might sometimes even buy something leagally since it's that easy and you'll definitely get the right track in full quality.

+ releases out faster. before all the big tunes were already played out when they got their release.

+ easier to buy tracks, you can even surf in the record stores from your home at 4:00 in the morning and get the tracks right away easily.

+ the bigger catalogue makes deejay's role even more important. deejay shouldn't be something that plays the same shit as the big deejays, but someone who goes through a huge amount of tracks to find the good ones (or ones he likes)

so it seems like in few minutes of thinking i get 4-4 situation, maybe there are more plus and minuses, though that's all i can come up with now. basicly the biggest advance in digital releases is that now even the ones who don't own a vinyl player or a big amount of money can get their hands on the best and newest tracks right away, and more and more quality stuff is getting to people's attention. oh and all you people in this thread who always download everything from p2p but still complain here about digital release culture should be ashamed of themselves..

and if you guys really think that most of digital labels release what ever they want just because they can and there are no expenses, it clearly shows you have no idea about it. i think most of the labels want to have a good catalogue and get a good name in the scene with their releases, they don't want to destroy their name with a shitty release.
sure there might be labels that really put out shit fast to get money, but why would you even care about such labels? you don't care about the shitty r'n'b hiphop (or whatever music style you dislike) releases and labels, so why bother on these either? if they really are that crap then probably nobody buys them and soon they're out of the business. and if they are bought it again shows that not all people have the same music taste as you.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery How can you know?

how can i know? ive been dj ing since i was 13, and there were less stuff around and i couldnt really compare alot of stuff with each other as the choice between tracks wasnt so big as it is nowaday.
its much much more fun nowadays to listen to the stuff that are out there, shure you find alot of shit among them but if you find that one piece of music thats awesome and you know that maybe youre the only one who has it you realise then that whole digging and searching and listening and sleepless nights were all worth it.

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Originally posted by a98 well basicly back then majority of people downloaded the tracks for p2p.. since they didn't have a vinyl player or wanted to buy one. nowadays most of them buy the mp3s legally. it seems that in trance scene there are always people who think that old times were always better, trance scene should be as small as possible and nobody new should not be introduced to trance and it should be kept secret. aswell as in trance scene (and probably other scenes too) there are certain people who just love to complain about everything, their contribute to the scene is that they complain, about everything that changes, everything new, every new release and most of all everything that gets popular weather it's asot or digital releases. i'm actually very sad that our great scene and community has to suffer from that sort of bitter and jealous people who never came a dj or a recording artist, so they'll let that frustaration out by dissing everything. maybe people who hate so much everything about trance and everything related to it, shouldn't be listening to it in the first place. nutes of thinking i get 4-4 situation, maybe there are more plus and minuses, though that's all i can come up with now. basicly the biggest advance in digital releases is that now even the ones who don't own a vinyl player or a big amount of money can get their hands on the best and newest tracks right away, and more and more quality stuff is getting to people's attention. oh and all you people in this thread who always download everything from p2p but still complain here about digital release culture should be ashamed of themselves..

i like the first part of your post! it really hits a point there and the last part but especialy the first part!